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Date:
Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:44:11 -0700
Subject:
RDT Right Now #1707
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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1707
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O "Thoughts right now... O
o What will become of me, o
o Become of her, become of we?" o
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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this is cute. [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ]
Re: RDT Right Now #1702 [ "Simon Booth" <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> ]
Cause it feels so empty without me [ Brian Cooper <ByteMe@smartchat.net. ]
the day aldous huxley died [ Matt Smith <mattsmith76@ukonline.co ]
HEE! [ Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist ]
View and link to my 9/11 tile on Yah [ "Cyndi S. Crawford" <cyndi.crawford ]
Beth's 9-11 story [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ]
Yahoo.com thing [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ]
Re: Yahoo.com thing [ "RasinGirrl" <blue_mermaid658@hotma ]
Re: RDT Right Now #1706 [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ]
wingdingalingbat [ "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> ]
you rotten punks [ Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodig ]
My best to everyone [ Chris <cmeyers@oasis.novia.net> ]
[ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ]
On September 11th in 1994, discussions of the songs on "Under
the Pink," a review of Tori's September 8 show in San Jose,
California and September 10 show in Berkeley, and ongoing
strangeness at Tori shows after her breakup with Eric. One
member wrote:
On the subject of China. She began to play it and stopped
about two phrases into it. She turned to the audience and
said that she couldn't go on with this song because "I wrote
it for someone who is no longer in my life."
In 1995, people were clamoring for information regarding the
Dew Drop Inn tour. Also people were discussing the "Hey
Jupiter" video. Also: which Metallica songs would you like Tori
to cover?
In 1997, Violet was still ironing out the details of RDT's
transformation into RDTRN. Among other things, she wrote:
I am a subscriber to this list just like everyone else. I
post messages in the same way, and I don't really want to be
seen as "running" this list. I hope that none of you will
*ever* be afraid to say that you disagree with something I
say (although support is always cool). :) The point is, I
want to be here exactly the way I was on RDT.
In 1998, interpretations of "Jackie's Strength."
In 1999, discussion of dates for the 5.5 weeks tour (I guess
Tori has a habit of touring in the fall) and difficulty finding
the "1,000 Oceans" single.
In 2001, a frantic and tense day trying to check up on members
in the New York area. Throughout the day as members and their
friends checked in to say they were okay, messages were sent
out to subscribers giving safety updates on these folks. (These
updates are not archived.)
To read more about these items, visit the list archives.
[ ================================================================== ]
Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Beth Winegarner
Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives:
http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:47:44 -0400
From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
To: ambie19@aol.com, candi4545@aol.com, torandnan@juno.com,
precious0147@yahoo.com, acrowd49@aol.com,
jcoffman@taurus.oursc.k12.ar.us, judy_dia3t@yahoo.com,
kerymjj@yahoo.com.mx, kimplicity@hotmail.com, lekia_thurman@yahoo.com,
mleonard55@cox.net, swts4evr@hotmail.com, chelleball32@hotmail.com,
mindyboo20@aol.com, mjfansreunion@yahoogroups.com,
rdtrn@torithoughts.org, Spyderchan2@cs.com, bluasice@onebox.com,
redhotcherrie@hotmail.com, royha@deepfrost.com,
GoodCharlotteSan@aol.com, shannonmaryleestevens@hotmail.com,
caninecentric@hotmail.com, sparker1@pdq.net, imursunshi9@hotmail.com
Subject: this is cute.
cute, kinda sad, but mostly cute.. check it out..
http://www.denbeauvais.com/animations/images/perfect_world/in-a-perfect-w
orld.gif
-- Cyndi
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:49:30 -0500
From: "Simon Booth" <sbooth1@satx.rr.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1702
hello again! :)
beth- thanks for posting that info about gabriela's CD. So *that's* what
she was busy doing :)
cyndi wrote:
> swears to GOD (as she says, anyway) that
> it's the heat making everybody crazy--like the opposite of the
> winter-afflicting seasonal depression syndrom thing.
I've wondered about that myself, because the seasons affect me opposite of
how most people seem to be affected. Fall, winter, and spring, I'm fine but
during the summer I'm always feeling tired no matter how much sleep I get
and even feeling mentally burned out, like the heat just sucks up all of my
energy.
about how pepsi is crap and can be used to clean paint from ships:
> kewl.. lol very kewl. *pours blue pepsi on some billionaire's
> yacht and promptly gets thrown overboard* *says to said billionaire..
> "er... screw you?"* HA! I'm evil. rofl
but evil in a fun way ;) Did you know that blue pepsi is made at the new
bottling facility near the Ukranian city of Pripyat?
Speaking of Pripyat: There's a new hotel opening there. It's called the
Atom's Mark Hotel.
about my britey spears/pop tart comment:
> BWAHAAAAHAHAHAH!! dude.. ditch the pop kids and start making Tori
> barbie dolls and merchandise. damn it, she's a MUCH better role model for
> everybody than BRITNEY! :P bleah.
no kidding! of course there would also have to be a properly scaled
Bossendorfer and wannabe Mustang.
And different tori dolls depicting different looks from her different "eras"
(including that hard to find YTKR tori ;) )
Of course, a tori doll would have to be properly displayed- special shelf,
light always shining on it, that
sort of thing ;)
megan the succubus barbie college freshman (or would that be freshperson
nowadays?) wrote:
> Um....I didn't mean to post my phone number. Whoops. I thought I had
only
> clicked on my Murrysville Moronville buddies. So any stalkers out there,
> don't call me and threaten to devour my soul. Thank you.
too late (reaching for speed dial) ;)
> Also? French class sucks. Thank you.
college is challenging and difficult at times, yes. But there's one really
good thing about college:
It's *not* high school! :)
and to the other Megan here, *hugs* and sorry about the breakup. have you
thought about legal action about the stalking? what he's doing just
*sounds* creepy.
you could always tell him that you're friends, Heckler and Koch, are
protecting you ;)
Deadra wrote:
> Farscape? I love that show.
three farscape fans here now! you, lavs, and myself. cool :)
linda wrote about a friend's change after taking depression meds:
> This chick is so upbeat, and yet she doesn't feel that
> it's an artificial happiness from the drug (which is
> what I've heard from some people on Prozac).
I had the same worry when I started taking zoloft but the good feeling is
real and there's enough of a difference between that and feeling bad that I
*know* when I'm not feeling right so I'm able to do something about it. I
also noticed that I felt more at ease around people and that I wasn't
talking a mile a minute to hide problems, and the only time I might talk too
much is out of enthusiasm for whatever is going on.
The feelings are real and I don't feel like something's artificially keeping
me up when I'm really not feeling good.
And indeed, the effects were noticable in just a matter of days- even in the
first 24 hours I noticed some difference.
I do wonder though if there's a point where someone can be ok on their own
without the meds, or is depression something permanent that will always
require treatment and meds of some sort. At least depression has a tangible
cause (chemical imbalance/serotonin glitch in the brain) than *can* be dealt
with. The one negative thing I have to say about depression meds is what
IMHO is the advertising that comes up from time to time- while I think it's
great that public awareness is furthered, it seems a little crass the way
meds are advertised as sort of a cure all or quick fix, when there's so much
more to being treated for depression. For me, it's always been *part* of
the process- very important, yes, but only part of dealing with the problems
I had been having for years.
Overall, it's worked great for me and has been a huge help in making things
my therapist has tried working on with me proceed better, and little day to
day problems that come along are easier to deal with without me feeling
overwhelmed or like I'm not in control.
anyway :)
tash is two! yay! :)
Simon
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:43:13 +1000
From: Brian Cooper <ByteMe@smartchat.net.au>
To: Really Deep Thrusts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Cause it feels so empty without me
So is this place dead or what?
In previous years when I've been on holidays for the same amount of time,
it's taken me a week to catch up reading digests. I did it in less than
three hours this time.
I did survive driving on the wrong side of the road, but was terrified for
the first morning. Now all I've got is bad habits for driving here. That's
if I could drive my car, as it's stuffed and I've had a rental for the last
couple of days.
Beth mentioned I saw Heart in Seattle back in digest #1693. That be the
truth. My seat was crap as they were filming it. There was a big boom
blocking the view so everyone around me complained. I stuck with them and
ended up with a front row seat, so you'll see my ugly mug all over the
video/DVD of it. I did enjoy the show immensely and they played a good
selection of all their material, including stuff from a forthcoming album.
To cut a long story short, I hurt my foot hiking a week into a 4.5 week
holiday and paid a visit to the hospital in Banff (and paid). After more
tests today, I don't have a stress fracture, but my foot still hurts. Being
on an adventure holiday while doped to the eyeballs on Ibuprofen does take
a lot of fun out of it and I'm still trying to remember what I did the
whole time. Maybe I'll remember when I get my pictures back.
I wish I could say I'd be going back to work relaxed on Thursday. I need
another holiday.
Linda had to mention The Proclaimers in #1699. Oh, good grief! You want
"500 Miles" played at your wedding? Well it won't be to me then!
Archive slut Lavs wrote in #1701:
>Dang my sister for talking about the games on her new computer and getting
>me into wasting time playing them again (actually, for that you can blame
>Coops, for giving them to me in the first place).
Eh? What did I give you (besides your first born)? ;-)
I can't ever remember sending you games, but it sounds like it might be a
good idea if I send you a CD of patches for Microsoft software.
Brad, I'll pass on your peppers. No offense. Remember what I said about a
run in with chilli a couple of months ago?
In #1704, Beth again...
>Holly, redstamen and I just got back from visiting Brian Cooper during his
>stopover in San Francisco. We all seem to have survived the experience
>intact.
It's true, we did meet and all lived to tell the tale. But after all of us
spending a few hours in my funky hotel room, you'd better take heed of
Lavs' warning about getting pregnant that she made in #1705. Same warning
should go to LauraHey who I met as well. It doesn't matter it was a couple
of days later and in public, does it Lavs?
Oh and I recall Redstamen noticed my occasional limping. I know you were
really just checking out my arse. I'd like you to know I was doing the same
with you.
Hmmm.... that little thread on real men... I think I want to be sick. I
mean, some of the qualities that were listed... some of you women either
want the impossible or another woman. I'd like to think I fit the bill on
most of those lists, but you wouldn't believe how many times I've heard,
"you're sweet", or "you're nice, but..." What women want and what women
usually end up with in men are usually two separate things. I know I'd do a
lot better if I was a real bastard.
Why the Eminem subject line? "The Eminem Show" was the theme album on my
tour. It's the first time I've really listened to him and I think he's a
really clever guy. I just wish he'd get over just about everything. I see
that album hasn't even been released here yet, but I'll be buying it when
it does. I'm also predicting he'll do a duet with Moby at the next Grammies.
I'd say more, but all I'm likely to do is rant.
Brian
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:06:27 +0100 (BST)
From: Matt Smith <mattsmith76@ukonline.co.uk>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: the day aldous huxley died
hi everybody
maria wrote:
"let me ask you for a list of november
songs..."
just off the top of my head: "november spawned a
monster" by morrissey. i don't know how big
mozzer is in portugal, but "...monster" was a
minor hit here, along with "suedehead", "the last
of the famous international playboys" and the
outstanding "every day is like sunday".
there's also "gone till november" by wyclef jean,
but it's bobbins so forget i mentioned it.....
i saw this on amazon.co.uk today:
<quote>
Customers who bought music by Tori Amos also
bought music by these artists:
Loreena McKennitt
Sarah McLachlan
Queen Adreena
Alisha's Attic
Bill Hicks
</quote>
i can get my head around the first four -
especially sarah and loreena mckennit - but bill
hicks? not that i'm suggesting that tori fans
have no sense of humour, far from it, but i
thought the point of these things was "if you
like this, you might also like these...". anyway
i thought it was weird.
anybody want to share any thoughts on the current
shall-we-shan't-we about iraq?
bye for now
matt
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be fought, but World War IV will be fought with
sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:34:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: HEE!
"*** Six Inches Forward And Five Inches Back digest ***"
I've got an annnngery inch! Annnngery inch!
Tee hee!
In other news, Scary Boy has maybe turned into Stalker Boy, showing up at
my college 2 more times in 2 days. It bothers me. Disturbs. Shiver.
I definitely DO NOT like the Spartan Culture. I was reading about them
yesterday and they were like the Jerry Falwells of the Pagan world and I
keep on wanting to Capitalize things that have no need for Capitalization.
How odd Is That?
I need to take a chill pill, bbbboooooyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!
Gimme my advil, bitch.
How Now, Brown Cow?
Megan Christine Auffart
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I never saw a Purple Cow,
I never hope to see one;
But I can tell you anyhow,
I'd rather see than be one!
--- Gelett Burgess (1866-1951)
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http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/abulia/
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:40:45 PDT
From: "Cyndi S. Crawford" <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: View and link to my 9/11 tile on Yahoo!'s Living Tribute
I just created a 9/11 memorial tile on Yahoo's Living Tribute. (hey, I was
curious and bored. bad combo, I'd say.. lol.. check it out anyway. :D) if
you wanna link it, it says to just put in my tile ID number to do so.. but
mostly, I just wanna show this
Click on this web address or cut and paste it into your browser window:
http://tiles.remember.yahoo.com/view/2bed3c1a?r=2bed3c1a
My Tile ID : 2bed3c1a
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:31:42 -0400
From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Beth's 9-11 story
just a quick post to give a comment to Beth on her 9-11 story..
VERY GOOD. I loved it.. I don't know if it was intentional, but
mentioning the cat made me laugh out loud--both times. Comic relief, I
guess.. the story overall was very sweet. :D Sorry I don't have more to
say, but it's distracting to be as sore as I am from my hip-hop dance
class last night. o_O You ought to see about getting that story published
somewhere, I think. :)
Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html --
http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ --
http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ --
http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ --
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude
Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do.
Not. Describe. Myself."
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:34:20 -0400
From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org, precious-things@smoe.org
Subject: Yahoo.com thing
I went to Yahoo.com cuz that's my default start page.. and saw
this thing to make an online memorial tile thing.. so I went and did it.
I sent the info through Yahoo to the RDTRN list, but I'm assuming it
doesn't go through, so I'm pasting the url to check it out in here. (for
the Precious Things list, yes, this is Tori related. you'll see why when
you see the url. :) )
http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/view/2bed3c1a
Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html --
http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ --
http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ --
http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ --
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude
Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do.
Not. Describe. Myself."
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:21:23 -0400
From: "RasinGirrl" <blue_mermaid658@hotmail.com>
To: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>, <precious-things@smoe.org>,
"Cyndi S Crawford" <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Yahoo.com thing
keeping in the spirit of Tori quotes regarding events:
"Playing for them, they're looking you in the eye. They're very direct.
There's no walking on eggshells with them. They're not waiting for the other
shoe to drop, because both shoes fell. Some people are scared of their own
shadow, but for a lot of the people, the masks are off. It's not like you
sidestep the emotional stuff with these people."
-Tori Amos on her New York City fans
-The Times, Picayune, October 30, 2001
Sometimes things break, and hearts ache
And things fall down
Like towers, and my own heart now
Some things fall,
Does that mean I'm not worth hanging out for
Cause we pick ourselves right up again
We pick ourselves up
Waiting on my friends to be there sometimes
My turn, I'm here for you now
~ Sept 28
West Palm Beach, FL
Kravis Center for the Performing Arts
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cyndi S Crawford" <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
To: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>; <precious-things@smoe.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:34 PM
Subject: Yahoo.com thing
>
> I went to Yahoo.com cuz that's my default start page.. and saw
> this thing to make an online memorial tile thing.. so I went and did it.
> I sent the info through Yahoo to the RDTRN list, but I'm assuming it
> doesn't go through, so I'm pasting the url to check it out in here. (for
> the Precious Things list, yes, this is Tori related. you'll see why when
> you see the url. :) )
>
> http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/view/2bed3c1a
>
> Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford
> http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html --
> http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ --
> http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ --
> http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ --
> http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude
> Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do.
> Not. Describe. Myself."
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:27:46 +0000
From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1706
weehee! back on the net! bleh, i don't feel like updating on my life, read
my livejournal if you're interested.
arija said:
>my
>sister is so fucking cool - she's entering 7th grade and is among the most
>popular kids in school. (my parents probably have no idea how to deal with
>that, seeing as how their other daughter never had that problem.) though
>em has a shred of me in her somewhere, because among her posters of boy
>bands and male actor idols on her walls, she's got a big ol' tori amos
>poster.
damn, my 12-year-old sis is just like that too, except she's not a
toriphile. she doesn't like most of tori's songs, but she thinks a few are
cool, like "raspberry swirl." indeed, we are complete opposites in every
way. we should get our sisters together sometime, they'd be best friends!
i refuse to be depressed on 9/11. ha! so there! i'm going to be happy and
say HI to people and stuff!
> *** Six Inches Forward And Five Inches Back digest ***
*squeals and runs around the room, moshing into random things*
i LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE hedwig and the angry inch! you ALL need to see it,
whether you like it or not! hoorah!
been listening to tori albums a LOT recently - makes good background music
for playing computer games instead of doing homework :)
-ade
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:17:00 +1000
From: "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au>
To: "Arty Turners Walk" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: wingdingalingbat
Maria typed:
>Lavs, when is your baby going to born (or has he/she born already?)
When is a good question. What my due date is, is another question. My EDD
is 16th of Oct (smack bang between the ASF and SW releases. Tori does this
to me every time (ok, well, the twice so far ;) At my last appt, it was
indicated I may go early. While that sent me into a minor panic because I
don't have anything ready yet (and believe me, if it was solely up to me,
it would have been done a month ago), it also ins't all that good an
indication of when I could actually have my baby, as a day early really
doesn't make all that much difference. I'm in no hurry other than to ease
the back and groin ache (thank smeg I didn't have that with Tiarna).
woohoo, megan's got an admirer! :)
haven't even got to acidfonts yet, still at fontfile (which has the
Farscape font, and Century Schoolbook, which in my opinion is the LE font
(Here. In my Head doesn't have anything mentioned for LE)
X
Lavs
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:14:03 -0500
From: Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodigy.net.mx>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: you rotten punks
Hello everyone! It's been awhile since I posted, eh?
just if anyone's interested; I started working about a month ago in a TV
station in the kids section. It's called Once NiŅos and it's the greatest,
most fun job ever! I get my first paycheck next monday. Can't wait for that.
On a darker side, I was right and i hate myself for it: My car stereo got
stolen, along with all the CDs in the disc changer. In there was The Cure
Acoustic Hits, NIN live, and SLG ( damn, just as i was beginning to like
it). Moral of the story: rip your cd's. Rip'em all.
Arija was talking about punk today as opposed to the old school punk. her
comment made me think exactly how important the punk movement has been for
the last 20something years, and also how misunderstood it still is. For
example, and I'm not trying to put anyone down, but I always find it
annoying that people think that the Sex Pistols and The Clash invented punk.
Try an ocean away from the nasty streets of London and Manchester, in NY,
where the CBGB club was entertaining such people as The Ramones, Talking
Heads and Blondie at least three years before the english punk movement
while anotther movement was forming in Seattle, another one in Georgia and
yet another one in Boston. Punk was born not from anarchists stuffed of
fish n' chips, but of urban kids that reached out from brooklyn and
burgeoise young artists living in lofts in Manhattan. The english movement
was fastly politized because in England it was actually a contestatary
fashion. While in NY everyone was fading out from the degrading pop art
movement and tired of disco disco disco, english youngsters found a means of
propaganda that was at anyone's reach. Influenced by the european
anarchists, they criticized politics and the surrounding squarenness of,
well... everyone. Neither Ramones nor any other american classic punk band
has any song that is openly political ( think more of songs called I Wanna
Sniff Some Glue, or how about Burning Down the House??
Punk today is not filed under punk. Whoever believes Blink 182 or Avril
Lavigne are punk should seriously consider going back a couple of decades
and find out where punk went. What would Joy Division sound like if they
were here today? Oh wait, they actually are: they are now New Order, and
they make glorious pop punk songs. What are the members of the Talking Heads
doing now? Tina Weymouth and husband are playing with the Gorillaz, David
Byrne is into salsa and bossanova. It's not so hard to follow the
transitions in history, all one has to do is believe in the continuity of
work.
For example, let's take one, if not the greatest punk band ever: The Pixies.
I can't think of a more influential american band since The Ramones. Pixies
broke up in 1991., but their line of work is perfectly traceable: Frank
Black is still playing with The Catholics, Kim Deal has just released a
Breeders album, Tanya Donnelly, who played with them, created two amazing
punk albums with Belly, and now has another two great albums by herself.
What I'm trying to say here is that we look for punk in the wrong places.
Punk is not only GreenDay and The Strokes, it's also NIN, Radiohead (
especially the last two albums!!! ), Beck, REM, Placebo, Belle&Sebastian.
Punk is not about three chords and screams, it's about the way the music is
conducted from a place of true artistry and emotion. Punk was born not from
anger but from boredom and alienation. Young kids were tired of old
progressive Pink Floyds and silly disco ABBAS.
Most good punk today is considered pop. I'll stand by that anytime.
AANNNDDD:
Megan, I fully understand the feeling, and I must agree, its fucking
terrifying. But stick to it. I mean, imagine yourself in his position. No
matter who the guy is, or how he is, it takes a lot of fucking guts to say
something like that to someone. At least its extremely difficult for me. Do
not feel intimidated, feel flattered, rejoice in it. It's a great feeling,
it will get you through many a day. I read you almost daily, and the one
thing I can say is: he's the lucky one.
e.
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:42:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris <cmeyers@oasis.novia.net>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: My best to everyone
I know today will be a long day, not entirely knowing what is in store
and thinking on last year, but I hope you all have a good day regardless.
"except for you Bin Laden...fuck you."
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