RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1708

RDT Right Now #1708

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:11:39 -0700
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1708 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o staying in touch [ "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamai ] atlanta date! [ guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> ] atlanta show change [ guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> ] I'm Not In Love - My Story [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] Communities [ "J. Mathers" <jmathers@westol.com> ] Tori in Atlanta [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] my birthday [ "juan manuel torreblanca" <cheefoos ] avril lavigne and 9/11 [ NuttyBakerGirl <rokzane@dimensional ] tori wallingford date [ guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> ] awwwwww [ Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist ] Neil/SW update [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ] NBC Pictures of the Year [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On September 12th in 1993, a listmember reviewed an album by Australian singer Margot Smith, "Sleeping with the Lion." He wrote: In "Sleeping With The Lion" we have the birth of a major talent, and who would have guessed that it would come from here in Melbourne. Mainstream record labels here usually stay away from this kind of music like the plague, and EMI are to be commended for taking the plunge. Whether the have the savvy to get people to hear the record is another thing; all I know is, this is the finest album I've heard since "Little Earthquakes," and the first since then to move me, affect me, and intrigue me in quite the same way. [Anyone know what happened to her? -Beth] In 1994, more reviews of Tori shows, and an article from the US News & World Report about whether or not Anastasia Romanov survived the murder of her family in 1918. Also, a fairly detailed interview regarding Tori's friendship with Neil Gaiman that was featured on AOL. In 1998, yet more six (or so) degrees of Tori separation, including at least one listmember who managed to link himself to Tori in five steps. Others included Buckethead, Bill Laswell, John Lydon, William S. Burroughs and Michael McKean. In 2000, speculation on whether the new baby would have Tori's last name or Mark's. In 2001, everyone began to respond to the events of Sept. 11. To read more about these items, visit the list archives. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Beth Winegarner Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:08:53 +0800 From: "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: staying in touch arija said: > while i appreciate the pioneers in the 70s, i tend to get more into > today's "poppier" punk Well, much as I liked the Clash and the Sex Pistols and the Jam (and the Damned, and the Gang of Four, and the Vibrators and even the Stranglers, though I didn't like them so much at the time) and so on, they were the second wave, the British wave, and what sometimes gets forgotten was that the original NY punks (like the Ramones) were very poppy indeed. The British bands took the musical style from the Ramones, and the spiky hair and the torn clothing with slogans written on it from Richard Hell and the VoidOids, added a hefty dose of politics and ended up with the punk that most people remember today. Megan C.A. asked: > Were you as freaked out as I am? Oh, yes. Though some of the girls I dated were not so forthcoming with the information that they liked me. They were willing to admit that they loved me, but "love" doesn't always include "like." One of them told me she wanted to dance on my grave (I think she meant it in a nice way, but I'm not 100% sure). Bethey asked: > So what should we do on September 11? Well, me, I'm working, still a block from the Trade Center site, having had to go through unusual security and crowds to get here (as you can imagine). I may go in a few minutes and look out the window where I was standing when the second plane hit. Or I may not. > I think 9/11 should stand for a day when we think of > others and try to do good works with glad hearts. I think this is an excellent idea. The other thing I would propose is to stay in touch with people (which is I guess what I'm doing here, by writing this). Call your friends, partner/lover/spouse, parents, children. Talk to the people you were with a year ago (one of them is sitting at the next desk to mine, so that's convenient for me). As B/4, staying in touch, John -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:04:36 -0700 From: guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, ustour@torithoughts.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: atlanta date! <url: http://cc.com/detail.asp?eventID=49386 > clear channel entertainment is now listing one date for the tour: november 10 at the atlanta civic center <url: http://www.atlantaciviccenter.com/ > with an on-sale date of september 14 at 10am. show time is 7:30, doors at 6:30. reserved seating is $38. the civic center is a ticketmaster venue, but neither ticketmaster nor the civic center sites list the show yet. woj -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:04:53 -0700 From: guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, ustour@torithoughts.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: atlanta show change >clear channel entertainment is now listing one date for the tour: november >10 at the atlanta civic center <url: http://www.atlantaciviccenter.com/ > >with an on-sale date of september 14 at 10am. show time is 7:30, doors at >6:30. reserved seating is $38. clear channel has changed the on-sale date for the atlanta show to september 21st. <url: http://cc.com/detail.asp?eventID=49386 >. the other details are still the same (for now anyways). woj -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:47:21 -0500 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: I'm Not In Love - My Story 9/11/02 5:36 pm There's this guy that I met during freshman year of high school. I don't know what it is about him...but I'm really attracted to him...despire all the horrible things about him. I don't like his personality. He makes me laugh sometimes which is a good trait in his personality, so I guess I can see that I don't like a lot of things about his personality. He is somewhat homophobic and extremely violent which are really bad traits and terrible things. So, I guess I kind of pushed aside the bad things about him and I focused on the good...like some of his humor and his looks...he also cares about people (sometimes) and can be nice. That's pretty shallow of me to pick someone like him...but I feel like I can't help it. I started to wonder if I was in love with him...but then I quickly shook the thought out of my head...that's why I think I have a similarity to the song "I'm Not In Love" on StrangeLittleGirls. "I'm Not In Love" I'm not in love So don't forget it It's just a silly phase I'm going through And just because I call you up Don't get me wrong Don't think you've got it made I'm not in love No no I said I like to see you But then again That doesn't mean you mean that much to me So if I call you Don't make a fuss Don't tell your friends about the two of us I'm not in love No no It's because I keep your picture Upon the wall It hides a nasty stain still lying there It hides a nasty stain still lying there So don't you ask me To give it back I know you know it doesn't mean that much to me I'm not in love No no It's because Ooh, you'll wait a long time for me Ooh, you'll wait a long time I'm not in love I'm not in love Julie H. E-mail & MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com MTV Member: JulieH214 AOL IM: JulieH0214 Yahoo! IM: Juls21487 www.petitiononline.com/JANET/petition.html ^ PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION ^ PLEASE DONATE MONEY TO THE LISA LOPES AIDS SCHOLARSHIP at mtv.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:54:37 -0400 From: "J. Mathers" <jmathers@westol.com> To: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Communities When I visit the local mall, every so often I meet someone and we carry on a conversation and after they leave, I ask my wife "Who was that?". I know that person from somewhere but do not know what community they came from. We know people from what community they come from. If you take them away from that community we have a problem identifying them. Our whole existence is that of communities. To start off each of us are composed of a community of billions of cells working together. We become members of communities throughout our lives. These communities come and go throughout our lives but communities control our day to day existence. Looking at governing communities that control our lives, the lowest level is our immediate family. This is the level that has the most control over our day to day lives. As we grow older they change from parents and siblings to wives and offspring. This is the level that will take care of us in a crisis and will dedicate their lives to our behalf. The next level up is the neighborhood we live in, our company we work for or the school we attend. The next set of levels is the various levels of government. These include towns, states such a Pennsylvania, and the country we live in such as the United States. It has been centuries since cities have had wars with other cities. However, Pittsburgh has the Steelers who have war in behalf of the community against other cities. Football is war without the killing. The dedication of the community is tested by how much physical pain and personal injury their team is willing to withstand. Victory of the team is victory against the other city. The real community of concern is the federal level. This is the level that fights the real wars. It is on the national level that millions have died. It is at this level that billions could die within in a few minutes. It is at this level that the US has a golden umbrella where if they go, the world goes with them. Today, September 11, the media is dominated by request for loyalty to this community. The next level up is the human community. This is on an uneasy peace now with the US controlling it with our vast economic wealth and military power. Again there is the issue of Iraq and who dominates the human community. There is always this conflict of national interest verses the interest of the human community. Humans are really are part of this vast community of multi-cell plants and animals. Humans have absolute dominion to this community. Civilization has made us all-powerful and nothing is even close to us in power. The whole environmental effort in recent years is in the tradeoffs between the interest of man verses this community. Destroy this community and you will destroy mankind. We can only exist by consuming other members of this community. The next level up is all life on earth. We have just obtained near domination of this community in the last few decades. We were in constant war with the viruses, and infectious diseases and seem to have won the war. Compared to even a few years ago, very few people in the US died of infectious diseases. The US spends vast amount of time and effort on this war. It can turn against us again. The next level up is the earth verses what ever is out there. Independence Day and other science fiction movies address this. We had not to face war on this level. A few weeks ago I manned the booth at a UFO show at the local mall. I have been a part of a group that investigated UFO's for 20 years. People would come to my table and sort of just stand there. After I would brake the ice, they would describe in a low tone of voice an object they saw in the past. Many times it was a large object on a few hundred feet away. They were scared and were also afraid to tell anyone about it for years. I suspect they drove miles just to talk to someone. There are millions that are convinced that there is an alien race visiting us on a regular basis. They are convinced there are intelligent communities outside the earth. There is no physical evidence for the existence of this outside alien community but it is real to a lot of people. We cannot understand September 11th unless we understand another community. The driving force behind the whole set of events a year ago is about existential communities beyond earth. Existential communities beyond our earth are a day to day driving force for much of the earth's population. To the terrorist, Paradise was as real a community as their hometown. To many Americans Heaven and Hell are some fantasy concepts far removed from day to day life. To my Dad, Heaven was awaiting him and he simply went peacefully to sleep to wake up there. To the Communist there simply is no existential community. Humans have not had to address communities outside our earth. We have no physical proof of their existence but with faith in the Second Coming, Paradise, Alien encounters, and the United Federation of Planets, their realization may be just around the corner. It really gets down to what really are we. Are we simply a community of cells creating an illusion of identity? Are all of these outside communities simply an illusion generated by our ego? Or will we someday after this wild train ride we call life ends look back and ask "Why couldn't I have seen all of this?". Have to end. Jim Mathers jmathers@westol.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:53:02 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org, precious-things@smoe.org Subject: Tori in Atlanta I'm an Atlanta resident (well Peachtree City to be exact, but whatever.).. Woj posted news of Tori's tour date in Atlanta.. I wanna go. I'm GONNA go. I also want to meet Tori.. um.. how long before the concert does she usually show up, and how long afterwards does she usually head out the door to greet fans and then leave? lemme know please! thanks. :D Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:11:36 -0500 From: "juan manuel torreblanca" <cheefooska@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: my birthday it was my birthday sept 10 I don't know why I'm not in that reminder mailing list (I think I used to be) well this is a pathetic finger tapping on the shoulder by a sad person who wanted a hug or something. blah 22 and I felt old by 21 (i still think my day won't come) raining cold etc. my kingdom for Bj�rks voice some white noise or new toys _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:58:04 -0600 From: NuttyBakerGirl <rokzane@dimensional.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: avril lavigne and 9/11 bethany wrote, re: avril lavigne: >Avril Lavigne just cracks me up to no end. this little girl pretending to be >punk when she wasn't even alive when punk was big. plus Sk8ter Boi. 2 good 2 >b 4 gotten. Avril Lavigne punk? You've got an odd definition of punk. It doesn't sound like you've listened to the album at all. Maybe you're basing that on how she dresses, which isn't punk. I don't see her trying to be punk. cyndi wrote: " I actually wonder if I SHOULD be feeling like "maybe this'll finally make everybody get over it" in reference to the 1-year anniversary.. I dunno if it's just me being cynical or if it's me being burned out on all the sensationalism being made over 9-11" This country will never get over such a mass murder, and I don't think we should. Yes, the news coverage is aggrevating. I don't think they are helping the grieving process at all. I think September 11 should become a National Day of Community. We need to make it a day where the result is the total opposite of the intentions of the attacks. Side note: I'm getting ready to can pears, tomatoes, and apple butter. Roxanne -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:15:19 -0700 From: guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, ustour@torithoughts.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: tori wallingford date ctnow.com is now listing a show at the oakdale theater in wallingford, connecticut on november 16th. the only additional information provided is ticket prices, ranging from $28.50 to $38.50. there is nothing about a sale date. http://entertainment.ctnow.com/top/1,1419,h-ctnow-Search-X!EventDetail-20939,00. html the oakdale website, tickets.com, and clear channel are not listing this show yet. woj -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:54:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: awwwwww That was a shocking ending to the rdtrn, violet. Very imaginative. Mr. E wrote: "Megan, I fully understand the feeling, and I must agree, its fucking terrifying. But stick to it. I mean, imagine yourself in his position. No matter who the guy is, or how he is, it takes a lot of fucking guts to say something like that to someone. At least its extremely difficult for me. Do not feel intimidated, feel flattered, rejoice in it. It's a great feeling, it will get you through many a day. I read you almost daily, and the one thing I can say is: he's the lucky one." Sigh... Guys are scary. I don't understand them and I think they're part of this mysterious foreign culture that's kinda like someone from Alabama meeting someone fresh off the boat from China. Same species, entirely different customs and ways of thinking. ...But then they turn out to be scary humans after all, but just with penises and then I get all 'i'm going to treat this guy like i would any of my girl friends' and I do but THEN he starts coming on even MORE and I get even more freaked out! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Okay. We're going to be board game friends! I've decided. Alex will be my board game buddy and we'll play chess and Risk and Monopoly and War and Clue until he becomes less scary. I think he realized exactly how much he was freaking me out, though, because he emailed me today and apologized for seeming all stalkerly, but I immediately rebuffed him and told him he had no need to apologize even though that's what I was complaining of about him and so I just told him that the thing that was freaking me out was okay to do again and I'm a total idiot when it comes to guys who want to be more than just regular friend friends and turn into scary guys who may or may not become boyfriends and I definitely need to shut up now. I've just alienated half the list by calling guys scary so I'm going to shut up now and hide my head in the proverbial sand and go away now, okay? Must do homework. Need to do homework. Must not think of big ass containers of dynomite that are my social skills. Must go now. Yes. How Now, Brown Cow? Megan Christine Auffart *************************************** I never saw a Purple Cow, I never hope to see one; But I can tell you anyhow, I'd rather see than be one! --- Gelett Burgess (1866-1951) *************************************** http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/abulia/ _____________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE insane email from tshirthell.com's E-Mail Hell at http://www.tshirthell.com _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:49:36 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com> To: torinews@smoe.org, precious-things@smoe.org, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Neil/SW update >From Neil Gaiman's journal: "It's time to write something for Tori's Scarlet's Walk tour program booklet. (I'm being sent the CD glued into a glued-together Walkman. When I pointed out that I already had a copy of an early version of the album on CD, and that I wasn't really likely to leak it to the web, I learned that Everybody was getting their CDs like this, which made me smile. I was also warned not to follow the lead of someone I will not identify here [ I shall disguise his identity, to save him embarrassment, and will only identify him by his initials -- MC -- and say that he is a percussionist of great coolness and excellence]. Anyway, this unnamed person apparently decided to try and open the sealed Walkman and remove the glued-up CD, and managed to cut his hand quite badly in the process. So I shall not do this. Nor shall I go to plan B, Boil the Walkman. I shall just press the play button, and be happy. I'm really looking forward to hearing the whole story in finished form, and trying to decide what kind of thing to write. Diary entries, maybe. Or a sort of American Gods thing. Or something else. Ah well, I'll talk to her and we'll figure it out.)" Beth -- "This country has a deep fear and mistrust of strong, smart, accomplished, outspoken women unless they are sexy 22-year-olds killing vampires on television." -- Dennis Miller _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ music reviews + stories + poetry + photography + collage + Watchers livejournal + selkies + esoterica + links = http://echoes.devin.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 03:51:43 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: dovetail66@yahoo.com, torandnan@juno.com, precious0147@yahoo.com, jcoffman@taurus.oursc.k12.ar.us, kimplicity@hotmail.com, mleonard55@cox.net, chelleball32@hotmail.com, mjcentral@hotmail.com, mjfansreunion@yahoogroups.com, Spyderchan2@cs.com, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, bluasice@onebox.com, royha@deepfrost.com, shannonmaryleestevens@hotmail.com, GLPdoug@MSN.com, imursunshi9@hotmail.com Subject: NBC Pictures of the Year after all that deeeeeepressing hullabaloo of ya know.. a year ago.. check out some cuuuuute pics of baby animals and baby humans! :D http://student.luc.ac.be/~9916699/picsoftheyear.html o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** Subliminal Day Off digest *** To POST messages to this list: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Can't figure out how to SUB, UNSUB, or CHANGE ADDRESSES? 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