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RDT Right Now #1735

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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:21:44 -0800
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1735 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o TORONTO TICKETS [ "Rikki ." <liquidice93@hotmail.com> ] Re: Greetings from sunny Singapore.. [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] ny daily news article [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ] I love "A Sorta Fairytale" [ NuttyBakerGirl <rokzane@dimensional ] toriamos.com update [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ] Providence tickets [ k h <kashmiri69@yahoo.com> ] i've got contacts deep in mexico [ "Matt Smith" <mattsmith76@ukonline. ] I'm fungry [ Brian Cooper <ByteMe@smartchat.net. ] billboard article on scarlet's web [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ] guardian and yahoo scarlet's walk re [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ] Re: guardian and yahoo scarlet's wal [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] Scarlet preview [ "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com> ] poopypants. [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] hee hee hee! :D [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] Unsettled confusion [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] day off To read more about these items, visit the list archives. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:46:24 +0000 From: "Rikki ." <liquidice93@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: TORONTO TICKETS I HAVE TICKETS TO TORIS CONCERT IN TORONTO FOR NOV. 22ND. 2 TICKETS IN 2 DIFFERENT SECTIONS. IF INTERESTED PLEASE EMAIL ME. :) liquidice93@hotmail.com Rikki check out my poems :) http://poetrypoem.com/cgi-bin/index.pl?sitename=liquidice&item=poetry&password= A GOAL WITHOUT A PLAN IS JUST A WISH _________________________________________________________________ Broadband?ÝDial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:53:34 -0500 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Re: Greetings from sunny Singapore... 10/23/02 7:51 am Hey Louisham, my name is Julie, I'm a 15-year-old female from Wisconsin, USA. It must be hard to live in Singapore...I've heard that that country isn't very accepting of other music besides rated G music or not huge issues in music. Anytime you want an update on Tori news, want to hear a song, whatever...you just ask and I'll do what I can to help you. You CAN be a Tori fan from Singapore...that's a fact. Good luck sweetie. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:06:56 -0400 From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: ny daily news article <url: http://www.nydailynews.com/10-20-2002/entertainment/story/28203p-26838c.html > An American odyssey Tori Amos tells a story-in-songs culled from the people she met on the road after 9/11 By ISAAC GUZMAN Tori Amos would prefer that her latest release, "Scarlet's Walk," not be referred to as a "concept" album. But it's hard to get around such labels when a record comes with its own color-coded map and offers links to a Web site filled with American history and explanations of the album's fictional characters. Amos has crafted "Scarlet's Walk" around a meandering journey through America, although the casual listener would be unlikely to glean the plot from a single spin of the album. Her title character travels from Anchorage to Sioux Falls, S.D., Chattanooga, Tenn., and New York City. Along the way, she runs into spiritual charlatans, wanna-be revolutionaries and, most significantly, an adult-film star named Amber Waves, who is a few years past her prime. Amos, 39, nicked the name from Julianne Moore's character in "Boogie Nights." But where Paul Thomas Anderson's film has Amber embodying the spirit of the '70s, Amos thinks she's emblematic of America in an age of disarray. "She's getting pimped out," Amos says. "Also, the word 'fading' porn star ó in this song, it's not as if she's exactly fresh meat. She's made certain choices that she has to come to terms with. They're haunting her now, so it seemed to me that that's very much where America is at today." Amos conceived the record's theme as she trekked across the U.S. during a concert tour last fall. The nation was still in the throes of post-9/11 anxiety, and Amos says she got a chance to talk to people on an unusually intimate level. "Conversations I normally wouldn't have had were going to all these deep places," she says. "Relationships were formed at a much quicker pace. Things were amped, so feelings weren't tucked in like shirts." In covering everything from shattered romances to atrocities against Native Americans, "Scarlet" has Amos is in a typically ambitious mode. Her last album, "Strange Little Girls," was also built around an idea, as Amos sought to put a feminist twist on songs written by men. While much of the record seemed muddled, her breathy take on Eminem's " '97 Bonnie and Clyde" was a psychologically wrenching depiction of violence against women. It recalled the song with which Amos broke into the pop world. In 1991, she released "Me and a Gun," an autobiographical, a cappella track in which she described being raped. That challenging stance instantly made her a polarizing figure, leading some critics to deride her as shrill even as she inspired rabid devotion in her fans. "A lot of fans are drawn to her music because she dares to go into these taboo subjects in a real in-your-face style," says Dianne Spoto Shattuck, an associate editor at Women Who Rock magazine. "Her subject matter deals so much with conflicts that have to do with sexuality and religion, feminist issues and her own experience with rape. There aren't too many artists who delve into those areas." While Amos modeled much of her sound and sensibility on '80s art-rocker Kate Bush, she herself became a major influence on a generation of women singer-songwriters. Piano-based anthems such as "God" and "Cornflake Girl" clearly resonated with artists such as Paula Cole, Fiona Apple and, most recently, Vanessa Carlton. "She's like the godmother of the entire '90s singer-songwriter movement," says Jim Kaminski, rock buyer for Tower Records in Greenwich Village. "Her records selling was what made labels go out and sign other female singer-songwriters." For years, Amos was rankled by being compared with other female artists, especially those on the Lilith Tour. But she says that when she became a mother two years ago ó she and husband Mark Hawley, a studio engineer, are the parents of Natashya ó she began to feel more comfortable with her role as an icon for women rockers. "It's about becoming more of a nurturing force," she says. "Now I have a lot of time for the young ones coming up, and I can be thrilled for other people. The only thing that was hard about it was being pitted against each other in the media." Members of the press again annoyed Amos last summer when ó despite distribution to only a handful of journalists ó advance tracks for "Scarlet" wound up on the Internet. So, like many artists, Amos took extreme measures in trying to foil pirates before the official release date. "Those were my babies ó those weren't even finished mixes," she says. "So I went to my guys and said, 'Do what you have to, because trust has been broken.' " SEALING THE DEAL The solution of Amos' label, Epic, was to loan copies of the record to music journalists in a portable CD player with the lid sealed shut and a pair of jumbo headphones glued into the only output jack. The whole affair made Amos even more adamant about protecting her work from bootlegging ó one of the music business' most pressing issues. "I believe in wine-tasting, but if you put a bottle of it in your bag, what you're saying is that you don't respect the people who made it," she says. "If you need to take the music, take the music. But at some point you just become a taker. You're a parasite." Even if some fans download her songs, Epic and retailers expect "Scarlet" to be her best-selling album since 1998's platinum "From the Choirgirl Hotel." For Amos, however, the greatest success is weaving a tale with a unified theme, something she's wanted to do for years. "To have a story work from top to tail with one character moving through is a challenge," she says. "But I didn't set out to write a road-trip sonic novel. The songs just started coming quickly because I was out in the land at a time when the masks were down, when people were talking about things they might not talk about today. Like, 'If tomorrow doesn't come, what would I change today?' " -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:51:01 -0600 From: NuttyBakerGirl <rokzane@dimensional.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: I love "A Sorta Fairytale" JulieH wrote: "8 days until Tori's new album....also Christina Aguilera's new album." Am I the only one that thinks that there is a competition between Aguilera and Brittney Spears on who can be the sluttiest? Her video for "Dirty" is the most vile thing I've ever seen. The only thing those two girls have accomplished so far I can sum up in two words: "SEX OBJECT". Disgusting. I received my "A Sorta Fairytale" Single yesterday. What beautiful songs. " 'Fairytale" is gripping. It's new yet warm and fuzzy like an old sweater. It resembles a piece of classic Americana. "Operation Peter Pan" is completely haunting and heartbreaking. Roxanne -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:55:23 -0400 From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: toriamos.com update <url: http://www.toriamos.com/content_headlines.html >: TORI CHATS LIVE ONLINE THIS FRIDAY, OCTOBER 25 This Friday at 7PM (ET) / 4PM (PT), Tori will log on to invite you all to join her on Scarlets Walk! The chat will take place during the world premiere of selections from Scarlets Walk that will stream for 24 hours beginning at 1PM (ET) / 10AM (PT) that same day, all accessible Here At The Virtual In-store! Online retailers all around the world will pre-sell the album during the entire event, so no matter what country you're in, you'll be able to pre-order it!!! Be sure and mark your calendars for this Friday so you don't miss this! THE SCARLET'S WALK CD IS YOUR KEY TO EXCLUSIVE CONTENT! Scarlet's Walk is your key to "Scarlets Web," an entire online bonus world right here ToriAmos.com only accessible when the disc is in your CD-ROM drive. ConnecteD technology recognizes the CD and will then let you unlock this exclusive content. Once inside "Scarlet's Web," you'll find three maps to navigate through a vast, bonus world of photos, songs not found on Scarlet's Walk, lyrics, a track-by-track commentary from Tori, behind-the-scenes video, mini movies, stories, contests to win front-row concert tickets, and souvenirs to collect along the way. A special highlight of "Scarlets Web" will be exclusive live tracks recorded along Toris On Scarlets Walk tour that embarks on November 7. These live songs from the road will be premiered exclusively for fans in "Scarlets Web." Make sure you get Tori's Scarlet's Walk CD so you can access all this great stuff! -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:05:17 -0700 (PDT) From: k h <kashmiri69@yahoo.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Providence tickets Hi, I have two tix for Providence, drs1 l row d 17-19. View from seats at: http://www.ppacri.com/3Dseating/index.cfm?map_section=25 I would like what I paid, $86. plus postage. Email me if interested. Thanks, K __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:03:47 +0100 From: "Matt Smith" <mattsmith76@ukonline.co.uk> To: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: i've got contacts deep in mexico hi everyone world series week is great isn't it? because of the time difference between the uk and the us, the games take place overnight which means i don't get to see them until i get home from work and watch them on video tape - but it's great to come home, cook some food, crack open a beer and watch the games at my leisure! and it's been a darn good series so far. i understand the tv ratings have been pretty low because it's a west coast series and there aren't any supposed "big teams" involved (let's all laugh at the yankees...!). it's a shame if people aren't tuning in, because they're missing some great ball. well i didn't manage to see the mets while i was in new york because i had to delay my trip until after the regular season was over, but i had a cool time nonetheless. i stayed in greenpoint (north brooklyn) rather than manhattan and it put a whole different complexion on my trip compared to my previous visit - it was great to see some more of the "real" city as well as the madness of manhattan. i was very surprised on wandering around battery park to come across "the sphere" - the sculpture which used to stand in the wtc plaza and is now erected in battery park as a memorial to 9/11. i thought that was a very fitting tribute, and in many ways much more moving than seeing the trade center site itself. i was interested to see that although the city as a whole seems to be very much back to business as usual, a great many individuals are of course still having a great deal of trouble dealing with everything - the impresison i had was one of collective recovery against a backdrop of continued individual suffering. i found the "empty skies" over downtown very emotional to look at though - and this from a foreigner who really had no personal involvement in the tragedy. on a lighter note, i also happened to stumble across a free concert by counting crows - one of my all-time favourites. it was great to hear some of the newer tracks (i hadn't yet bought "hard candy" at the time) and also some old chestnuts like "mr. jones" and "anna begins". i wonder if anyone here has read "and the ass saw the angel" by nick cave? i don't normally give up on books without finishing them, but for some reason i just feel no compulsion whatsoever to keep on reading. i guess what i want to ask is - should i persevere? am i missing anything special? so what else - i now have a new flat and great new job and am getting used to my new surroundings and meeting a whole bunch of new colleagues. studying was fun and useful but it's good to be making an honest living again...! unfortunately the person in the flat below me seems to have suddenly discovered the volume control on his hifi and has it cranked up extremely and very annoyingly loud. however i don't really like the idea of knocking on his door and saying "hi, you don't know me, i just moved in above you, but can you please shut the hell up as you're really pissing me off". ho hum, maybe it's just a passing phase. i'll have my revenge when i get my hands on SW, and treat my loud but taste-deficient neighbour to some *real* music! anyhow that's all i have to say today until next time matt ----- "i know not with what weapons world war 3 will be fought, but world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones" - albert einstein -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:16:38 +1000 From: Brian Cooper <ByteMe@smartchat.net.au> To: Really Deep Thrusts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: I'm fungry Greetings on Fellatio Friday. Well I'm calling it that if we can have Testicular Tuesday and Clitoris Sunday. (I know it's an action and not a body part, but does any of this really matter, like election results in Florida?) There's somebody on this list with a Verizon account who keeps inadvertently sending me two or three copies of the Klez.H virus a day. I'm begging everyone here on Verizon to check their antivirus software definitions are up to date, or go to: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.h@mm.html and download the utility to remove it. This virus has been out since April so there's no excuse for still spreading it. Have any of the Aussies around here been watching CNNNN on Thursday nights? I've been pissing myself laughing at it each week. For those that don't get it, it's a parody of CNN and it's so amazingly accurate. I particularly like the slogan, "We report, you believe". Last week's show nearly killed me, when the did the ads for Fungry's Family Restaurants for the pickle tower burger combo. It was 5 pickles on a pickle bun with pickle sauce with pickle fries and a pickle shake with extra pickles. Pickles are one of my pet hates when travelling in North America. It seems wherever you eat there is a monster pickle on the plate. I can't stand the freaking things and even a couple of slices of pickle is more than enough, but a whole one? Is there something in the constitution about "thou shalt eat five pickles a day". Pickle my gizzards and bugger me with a fish fork. So why is it so quiet around here? Is there something fantastic on US television that won't come out here until next February? I'd like to fill in my calendar now if that's the case. Way back in #1726, which was like a year ago, Woj sent us info on the bonus DVD that comes with Tori's new CD in Australia. That makes me think more than ever she's not going to tour here, plus for once we'll have something that the rest of the world can't play unless they've got a multi-zone DVD player. Ha! I'd rather trade for a tour. Think you can buy me out with bonus extras? John wrote in #1731: >The mustache without the beard looks very "it's the early 1970s and I want >people to know I'm hip, but I want to make sure they know I'm not a >hippie." You sound like you're talking from experience here, old man. ;-) Brian -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:17:16 -0400 From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> To: fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, torinews@smoe.org, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: billboard article on scarlet's web <url: http://www.billboard.com/billboard/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1748 817 > Amos Offers Fans Extras Via The Web Details of the "bonus world" Tori Amos fans will have access to following the purchase of her forthcoming Epic album, "Scarlet's Walk," have begun to emerge. Utilizing Epic parent Sony's proprietary ConnecteD technology as a key, the disc -- due Tuesday (Oct. 29) -- will unlock an area on Amos' official Web site that will host everything from music to photos, contests, and commentary by the artist. Once linked to "Scarlet's Web" by using the disc in a computer's DVD-ROM drive, users will encounter a trio of maps to aid in navigation through a wide array of bonus features. Epic promises fans will find several songs that are not included on "Scarlet's Walk," lyrics, and a track-by-track commentary by Amos. Behind-the-scenes video and photos from the album's recording sessions, mini-movies, and stories will also reside on the site. Also planned are contests for premium tickets to Amos' upcoming North American tour, which will kick off Nov. 7 in Tampa, Fla. Those who can't wait for the trek to reach their market will have access to live recordings that will be made available exclusively through the site. "I wanted people to be able to discover for themselves the journey that Scarlet and I are taking," Amos said in a statement. "In 'Scarlet's Web' you will be able to unlock the inner most details of this fantastic voyage, as well as a few special surprises along the way." In addition to the online extras, a limited edition package of "Scarlet's Walk" will be released the same day as the regular disc (each will offer access to the "Scarlet's Web" site.) The special version of the album will include "an exclusive DVD, Polaroid's, stickers, [and] a charm," according to the label. On Friday, selections from the album will be streamed via a special page on Amos' Web site (www.toriamos.com/virtualinstore) for 24 hours beginning at 1 p.m. ET. At 7 p.m. ET that day, Amos will take part in a live online chat with fans about the album and tour. The site will also offer the opportunity to pre-order the album via online retailers worldwide. -- Barry A. Jeckell, N.Y -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:03:45 -0400 From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: guardian and yahoo scarlet's walk reviews <url: http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/reviews/story/0,11712,818221,00.html > Tori Amos: Scarlet's Walk 2 of 5 stars (Epic) Adam Sweeting Friday October 25, 2002 The Guardian Her record company refers to her as "superstar Tori Amos", but I think most of us would settle on "singer-songwriter who could use another hit". Corporate jobsworths are so terrified that Tori's new record won't be able to stand up for itself that reviewers are only permitted to listen to it on sealed, individually numbered Walkmen for fear that it might be pirated over the internet. Even the headphones have been superglued into their socket. If only Scarlet's Walk were that desirable. In fact, it is merely tastefully crafted, with lots of moping piano, chin-stroking lyrics and the occasional interlude of emotionally bereft cello. Amos has wheeled in a discreet assortment of floaty, funky beats to demonstrate that she isn't entirely in thrall to Joni Mitchell's Hejira. But even the best song here, A Sorta Fairytale, isn't going to save the music industry. <url: http://launch.yahoo.com/read/album.asp?contentID=211004 > Scarlet's Walk 10/24/2002 By Mike Lipton If the thought of another batch of songs inspired by Sept. 11--especially by angst queen Tori Amos--is enough to ruin your day, you'd think the good news would be that, at least she's focused on a national (as opposed to personal) tragedy, right? Well, not exactly. Amos has used the events of Sept. 11 as a jumping-off point to muse about our country's history, past and present ("chronicle of her love affair with America"). But in her hands, "history" has a loose and varied interpretation. "Amber Waves," a tune that, save for the title (also the name of a porn star in the film Boogie Nights), has more to do with an unscrupulous promoter who exploits a woman than the U.S. of A. The first single, "A Sorta Fairytale" is a return to form of sorts. In this relationship tale, she says the word "I" no less than 32 times (what was the concept of the record, again?). Throughout, the recipe stays pretty much the same with Amos inserting obtuse references to the country, flag, ideals, etc. Of course, there's always the distinct possibility I'm too shallow to decipher the true meaning of lines like: "Messiahs need people dying in their name/you say, 'I ordered you a pancake?'" (from "Pancake"). Musically, the tunes are more cohesive this time around, with more of a "band" feel then simply people accompanying Amos and her Bosendorfer. "Crazy," one of the catchier tracks seems to be about sex while the Sinfonia of London adds a Moody Blues luster to "Gold Dust." If there was a silver lining to last year's terrorist attacks, they at least tempered Amos's self-centered ramblings and encouraged her to think about someone besides herself. Now, let's all join hands and pray she doesn't co-write with Ani DiFranco. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:37:00 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org, precious-things@smoe.org Subject: Re: guardian and yahoo scarlet's walk reviews "...Now, let's all join hands and pray she doesn't co-write with Ani DiFranco." HA!! how polite. :P rofl.. seriously.. I have no clue why that made me laugh, but.. HA!!! Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 22:42:48 -0400 From: "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com> To: "Dipfucks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Scarlet preview [Note from Violet: Spoiler ... this message has comments on the new album. If you haven't heard it yet and you don't want to know any details, you may want to skip to the next post. :) ] i was able to snag my copy of Scarlet's Walk a couple days early. I listened to it for the first time tonight, and I have to say: i haven't been this blown away at first listen since Boys for Pele. I got the limited edition, which comes in this nifty little box that you actually have to open up (not just a slide case or anything like that). Inside are two cardboard sleeves, one with the cd, one with the dvd, the map, polariods (which are so beautiful), stickers (which are so cute) and this tiny little pewter charm (mine was a book). It's almost like a little care package that you'd get in the mail. I have to say I love the design of everything in the package. whoever did it is a genius, it fits in perfectly with the album's concept and music. haven't touched the dvd yet, i'm still concentrating on the music. this little package contains so much stuff to look at and do, it's overwhelming. I'd recommend listening to this album while driving, preferably very fast and while it's dark. that's what i did, tooling around the suburbs of Philadelphia, watching the gas needle dip perilously low. I can't even separate all the songs out yet, they kind of are all jelling together right now. Layers will continue to reveal themselves the more I listen, so right now I feel like I can only give little anecdotes. Those who downloaded the six song sampler - never fear, the songs are actually properly mixed and they sound MUCH better than they did on there. one that stands out, though, was I can't see New York. that one i remember, because it's so chilling and exhilarating at the same time. it starts out with something reminescent of Horses, so light and airy, and just fucking explodes. God. your cloud actually sounds like it could be a companion to cloud on my tongue. and i kept listening to the album and picking out various tracks and thinking, "this one's from Pink, this one's from Choirgirl, this one's from Y Kant Tori Read", but actually I think this album is its own thing. It's the opinion of many people (me included) that she kind of stagnanted on the last two albums, treading water. I think it's pretty clear that she wasn't happy at Atlantic, and that shows up musically. But this, this is a leap, a leap she finally needed and I was afraid she wasn't going to make. But she did! and it's fabulous! so let's talk about this fabulous album and bring this damn list back to life. -bethany _______________________________________________________________ a journal : http://hejira.u-town.com the centralia project : http://centralia.u-town.com "Why keep a journal? To stop time. To make a point about the pointlessness of it all. To have company. To be remembered. For there is so much to be recalled, with no one to do the recalling." (Ned Rorem) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:34:18 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: poopypants. I hate sinus pills.. but they're the only thing that keeps my jaws from aching these days (I guess it's sinus-related).. I hate them because even if they say in big fat bold letters, "NON DROWSY".. I still get sleepy. fun. I can't think right.. I'm nodding off.. and here I am doing an RDTRN... :D this should be interesting.. ON WITH THE REPLIES! :P Julie said of celebrity stalkers: "I hope Tori will always be safe from that, along with other celebrities." as do I, and so far so good (correct me if I'm wrong..).. being in Cornwall (instead of a huge city) helps.. and uh I dunno if I'd count her rape as being stalked.. cuz the guy didn't follow her around all the time, I don't think.. right? Beth mentioned wanting to see that "Bowling for Columbine" movie.. it's a documentary.. but it seems to be presented to me as a comedy, I dunno why.. anybody else got an opinion about this? Jessica said: "i still have space in my heart for those who are older than the average 17 and still haven't gotten the naked nookie." nekkid nookie.. ooooh.. well yay to that then! I'm 21 and I still haven't gotten laid (but that's mostly a conscious choice of my own--I'd rather wait for the wedding night.. partly cuz of how I've been raised but mostly because of all the risks that I don't even want to even TRY gambling with.) so.. :D Louisham: are you delurking for good? if so, welcome to the un-lurked world! :) e: loved your "we would have done it" poem btw :) very nice. :D and uh.. on that note.. *falls asleep and snores and drools on the keyboard* Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 18:14:23 -0500 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: dovetail66@yahoo.com, precious0147@yahoo.com, sonicdissention@hotmail.com, jcoffman@taurus.oursc.k12.ar.us, kimplicity@hotmail.com, lekia_thurman@yahoo.com, mindyboo20@aol.com, mjcentral@hotmail.com, mjfansreunion@yahoogroups.com, Spyderchan2@cs.com, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, lyricallacquer@hotmail.com, royha@deepfrost.com, imursunshi9@hotmail.com Subject: hee hee hee! :D http://quiz.ravenblack.net/blood.pl?409123446 <--- check that out. :D -- Cyndi ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:32:18 -0600 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Unsettled confusion 10/27/02 9:27 pm Ok, I have been confused about God-faith-religion-etc. for a long time. My father is a Protestan Christian and my mother is Jewish. For a while I didn't really think about what I was doing when I was praying or whatever...I just didn't understand and I did it anyways. As I've been growing I'm realizing more things about it and not liking some of it. I hate how in some Bibles it talks about "all gays going to Hell" or something like that...I think that is one of the most awful things I've ever heard. Also, I hate how I've heard of the sexism towards women. But the thing is...I could be suited as a Jew...but I might not believe in some of those things...see...I don't understand. I'm going to check out some books from the library and learn more about those faiths so I can understand and maybe choose a faith...if I don't find anything that suits me...then that doesn't matter...I can just believe whatever I want to believe because of the uncertainty of what's going on in God's place or back in the times when the stories of God, etc. were first written. Wish me luck and if you want, could you tell me about your beliefs and what you practice and some of the things you read in whatever you read or don't read...ya know what I mean. Julie H. E-mail & MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com MTV Member: JulieH214 AOL IM: JulieH0214 Yahoo! IM: Juls21487 _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! 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