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Date:
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RDT Right Now #1800
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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 03 : Issue #1800
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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bah.. [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ]
A Letter From Terry Jones to the Obs [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ]
this week's tori presales [ noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org> ]
pricks [ Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist ]
What are the real alternatives? Some [ Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@dimensional ]
Tori makes her war opinion well know [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ]
Re: RDTRN 1798, and... [ Mark Alexander <alexander750@earthl ]
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:23:40 -0500
From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: bah..
howdy everybody.. I'll reply to all my backlogged RDTRN's
later--probably tomorrow--but....... I gotta say something here:
Megan mentioned Saddam and GW having a debate.. me, I say the
whole "Iraq war" should be settled over a few SSX Tricky tournament-style
competitions.. Saddam vs GW, best two out of three. that's just me tho.
:D it'd be a LOT better than going in, blowing shit up, and getting your
shit blown up. :P
Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford
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Not. Describe. Myself."
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:59:04 -0500
From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: A Letter From Terry Jones to the Observer on George W Bush
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A Letter From Terry Jones to the Observer on George W Bush (yes, Terry
Jones of Monty Python).
Letter to the Observer
Sunday January 26, 2003
I'm really excited by George Bush's latest reason for bombing Iraq: he's
running out of patience.
And so am I! For some time now I've been really pissed off with Mr
Johnson,
who lives a couple of doors down the street. Well, him and Mr Patel, who
runs the health food shop. They both give me queer looks, and I'm sure Mr
Johnson is planning something nasty for me, but so far I haven't been able
to discover what. I've been round to his place a few times to see what he's
up to, but he's got everything well hidden. That's how devious he is. As
for
Mr Patel, don't ask me how I know, I just know - from very good sources -
that he is, in reality, a Mass Murderer. I have leafleted the street
telling them that if we don't act first, he'll pick us off one by one.
Some of my neighbours say, if I've got proof, why don't I go to the
police?
But that's simply ridiculous. The police will say that they need evidence
of a crime with which to charge my neighbours. They'll come up with endless
red tape and quibbling about the rights and wrongs of a pre-emptive strike
and all the while Mr Johnson will be finalizing his plans to do terrible
things to me, while Mr Patel will be secretly murdering people.
Since I'm the only one in the street with a decent range of automatic
firearms, I reckon it's up to me to keep the peace. But until recently
that's been a little difficult. Now, however, George W. Bush has made it
clear that all I need to do is run out of patience, and then I can wade in
and do whatever I want!
And let's face it, Mr Bush's carefully thought-out policy towards Iraq is
the only way to bring about international peace and security. The one
certain way to stop Muslim fundamentalist suicide bombers targeting the US
or the UK is to bomb a few Muslim countries that have never threatened
us.
That's why I want to blow up Mr Johnson's garage and kill his wife and
children. Strike first! That'll teach him a lesson. Then he'll leave us in
peace and stop peering at me in that totally unacceptable way.
Mr Bush makes it clear that all he needs to know before bombing Iraq is
that Saddam is a really nasty man and that he has weapons of mass
destruction - even if no one can find them. I'm certain I've just as much
justification for killing Mr Johnson's wife and children as Mr Bush has
for
bombing Iraq. Mr Bush's long-term aim is to make the world a safer place by
eliminating 'rogue states' and 'terrorism'.
It's such a clever long-term aim because how can you ever know when
you've achieved it? How will Mr Bush know when he's wiped out all
terrorists? When every single terrorist is dead? But then a terrorist is
only a terrorist once he's committed an act of terror. What about
would-be
terrorists? These are the ones you really want to eliminate, since most of
the known terrorists, being suicide bombers, have already eliminated
themselves. Perhaps Mr Bush needs to wipe out everyone who could possibly be
a future terrorist? Maybe he can't be sure he's achieved his objective
until every Muslim fundamentalist is dead? But then some moderate Muslims
might convert to fundamentalism. Maybe the only really safe thing to do
would be for Mr Bush to eliminate all Muslims?
It's the same in my street. Mr Johnson and Mr Patel are just the tip of
the iceberg. There are dozens of other people in the street who I don't
like and who - quite frankly - look at me in odd ways. No one will be
really safe until I've wiped them all out. My wife says I might be going
too far, but I tell her I'm simply using the same logic as the President
of
the United States. That shuts her up.
Like Mr Bush, I've run out of patience, and if that's a good enough reason
for the President, it's good enough for me. I'm going to give the whole
street two weeks - no, 10 days - to come out in the open and hand over
all
aliens and interplanetary hijackers, galactic outlaws and interstellar
terrorist masterminds, and if they don't hand them over nicely and say
'Thank you', I'm going to bomb the entire street to kingdom come.
It's just as sane as what George W. Bush is proposing - and, in contrast
to what he's intending, my policy will destroy only one street.
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Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 23:40:07 -0500
From: noam tchotchke <woj@smoe.org>
To: torinews@smoe.org, ustour@torithoughts.org,
fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org,
toriphery@groups.msn.com
Subject: this week's tori presales
fanscape has stealthily updated their tour listing <url:
http://www2.fanscape.com/toriamos/tour/ > and indicates that three shows
are going on presale this week:
april 18 - arlington theatre, santa barbara, ca
* presale starts at 10am, thursday, march 6th
april 19 - theatre at arrowhead pond, anaheim, ca
* presale starts at 10am, friday, march 7th
april 21 - kiva auditorium, albuquerque, mm
* presale starts 10am, thursday, march 6th
* http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1E00365B8136320C
as of now, albuquerque is the only presale with a purchase page.
as usual, there will be a password which will be sent out to the
toriamos.com mailing list. <url: http://www.toriamos.com/email.html > is
where you sign up.
woj
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:02:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: pricks
Hola mes amies!
Yet another poem! Hurrah!
Title: Needle
You see her when she's sitting
In the confines of the kitchen
With the children always screaming
With her husband always bitchin'
With the demon on her shoulder
With a needle as his knife
And he's pricking pricking pricking
Every second of her life
Just the pricking pricking pricking
Dancing in and out of skin
As the children start their fighting
As the husband downs his gin
And she sits there in the kitchen
She's the only one aware
Of the grinning little demon
Curled underneath her hair
And all he does is whisper
As the children break their toys
And the husband gets a hard-on
As he thinks of little boys
The demon whispers secrets
Of how great she could have been
Without seven screaming children
And the company of men
As he sticks her with his needle
Bleeding scalp and bleeding neck
Just the pricking pricking pricking
As her life becomes a wreck
Just the pricking pricking pricking
At the head the eyes the heart
Just the pricking pricking pricking
As her family falls apart
How Now, Brown Cow?
Megan Christine Auffart
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 21:16:09 -0700
From: Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@dimensional.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: What are the real alternatives? Some thoughts....
> "The world is a dangerous place to live;
> not because of the people who are evil,
> but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
> - Albert Einstein
Beth has made this her latest tag to her e-mails. It's a very
appropriate quote. I'm not in favor of war at all, but sometimes the
only way to accomplish a task is to be very aggressive and take the
first strike. Suddam should have been removed from power a long time
ago. I am amazed that the citizens, leaders, and diplomats of this world
would allow this devil to remain in power. Suddam is nothing short of
a homocidal maniac. The inspections are beginning to work but only
because of the serious threat of war. If we take that threat away and
loosen our grip, Suddam will see no reason to continue.
If a military strike is inevitable (and right now I think it's a toss
up), we need to be very precise in our military action. We should be
concentrating on Suddam's weapons compounds and personal property
holdings rather than civilian sites. This is possible but it takes
foresight and precision from our leaders to accomplish this.
The better solution to simply invading Iraq is to force him to give up
his control. There are many ways this can be done:
1. Expelling Iraq from the UN (Why this hasn't been done
yet is beyond me).
2. Passing a UN resolution that denys assistance to and even possibly
threatening to expell those countries that come to the assistance of Iraq.
3. Passing embargos, stricter economic sanctions, and confiscating all
goods being imported and exported through piracy.
4. Striking against Suddam's personal property holdings and weapons
compounds.
5. Confiscating personal and/or national assests and investments.
6. Bankrupting the country.
These are "do-able" solutions. The only problem is that I don't think
the UN and its member countries can unify themselves enough to be able
to pull it off.
To comment on a different topic....
Has anyone else been hearing about these women who want to go to Iraq
and act as "human shields?" What the....?
Talk about pulling a Jane Fonda. This borders on treason and nobody
should be supporting that kind of action.
Roxanne
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:34:30 -0500
From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Tori makes her war opinion well known
>From the Dent:
Heavily clipped top and bottom but the Full Details are at:
http://www.thedent.com/more.php?id=199_0_1_0_M
article from February 28, 2003.
"AMERICA IS A CHARACTER IN THIS'
Mark Bialczak
Amos hopes fans identify with Scarlet's story.
She began formulating the idea for the album soon after the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks
"America is a character in this. All the characters are based on real people
or real events," Amos says.
Amos says she found people searching for answers after the terrorism.
"I think people were questioning their relationship with the soul of the
country," Amos says. "Once you get through the "there's an outside force
attacking us and we have to bond no matter what,' kind of thinking, I saw
people saying "we have to ask some deeper, harder questions here if we don't
want this to happen again."'
Amos says war is not the answer.
She adds that lots of people she encounters during her travels feel the same
way.
"When the emotional blackmail from some of our leaders saying, "If you
question us, you don't love your country' started, I saw some people pull
back, saying, "I do love my country. Don't you dare tell me that I don't,"'
Amos says. "I see people who hadn't necessarily picked up the microscope or
the torch start to do that.
"If I love my country, I have to protect her, see that she's on the course
to protect our soul," Amos says. "We're being perceived as rogue bullies
around the world, and a lot of people aren't comfortable with that."
Amos says she senses a mood in the country that she likens back to the late
1960s.
"We have the responsibility to keep watch," Amos says. "There will be
another generation that will say "Where were you?' if we don't."
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:16:07 -0600
From: Mark Alexander <alexander750@earthlink.net>
To: "that redhead with the piano" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Re: RDTRN 1798, and...
...Happy (belated) birthdays to Beth Winegarner and Violet!
Concerning the human rights argument for an Iraq war: It's true that,
as far as human rights abuses are concerned, Iraq is just one more
example in a long and dolorous list--which includes ourselves (just ask
the Native-, Japanese-, and especially African-Americans). But this is
not the primary reason; rather, it's just one more piece of evidence
for the prosecution.
As I stated in my last post, "Iraq is our mess. Time to clean it up."
The analogy can be made between situations such as Iraq's, and
so-called 'degraded ecosystems,' those which have been so badly damaged
by poaching, alien species, habitat destruction, pollution, etc., that
natural processes can no longer function. Likewise--and I made this
point earlier--we made the decision to go to war, not 80 minutes ago,
but 80 years ago. Barring some miracle like Saddam's abdication, the
war is pretty much a fait accompli at this point, UN resolution or no
UN resolution.
Unfortunately this sort of political and economic 'ecosystem
restoration' is probably not what the Pentagon has in mind. The latest
buzzword, 'shock and awe,' sounds as if we've got plans to nuke Baghdad
(which incidentally would also obviate the need for messy urban
warfare, and leave fewer bodies for the TV cameras--important
propaganda benefit). More likely is some sort of Vietnam-style carpet
bombing, which does much the same thing, only without the fallout. All
this talk of precision guided weapons seems facile: if you're blasting
away at everything in sight anyway, who cares which bomb hits what
target?
But hey, at least we got this Khalid Sheikh Mohammed guy. From what
I've heard, he was al-Qaeda's COO, and thus it was all the more
important that he be captured. Oh, and I see something going on in
Islamabad on the live feed, they're talking about Osama...
About the media...you had to get me started, Simon! :-)
To understand the "perverse enthusiasm" of the media regarding such
things, or bad news generally, one need only follow the money. Ratings
are paramount, for ratings mean advertising dollars. Period. Ideology
is irrelevant, except insofar as it furthers this objective: the notion
of a "liberal media" is the reddest of herrings, invented by Nixon in a
fit of pique over Woodward and Bernstein's doings. (It did sell lots of
newspapers.)
The primary purpose of any commercial medium--print, radio, Internet,
and especially television--is to present advertising. What is generally
called "programming" is simply a device to hold audience attention
between advertisements, which is why services like Nielsen and Arbitron
exist--to ascertain how well attention is kept, and by whom. And the
best way to keep that attention has been, and is, and will be, to shock
and titillate.
That's why the newsroom says, "If it bleeds, it leads."
That's why programming follows the least common denominator of taste.
Even on the Weather Channel, there's now a heavy emphasis on "Blizzards
We Have Known And Loved" and other such drivel; storm warnings have
come to resemble Monday Night Football: "Moisture, dry line, cis boom
bah/ Wind shear, downburst, rah rah rah!"
That's why political discourse has been supplanted by mudslinging,
shouting, and name-calling.
That's why commercials are both more frequent (now up to 20 minutes
per hour; when I was young, the standard was 15 minutes. I remember
this) and more annoying. Even the local PBS outlet is now running ads
during its pledge drive--perhaps as a threat to non-members of what
could happen!
Also, radio (and MTV) is unique in that the music played is also an
advertisement for itself. When the Telecommunications Act of 1996
removed ownership limits on radio stations, and (at least de facto)
legalized payola, the record companies--another Big Seven
outlet--essentially bought themselves a permanent barker. Which is why
radio sucks more than ever. Kill your FM tuner!
That's why our media, far from being the check on power it was
intended to be, has become a "weapon of mass distraction." Messrs.
Baird, Farnsworth, Zworykin, and Sarnoff may have (albeit
unintentionally) loosed a demon on the world fully as destructive as
plutonium or poison or plague.
Time for a War on Television,
Estraven.
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