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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 03 : Issue #1886
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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staying in from the cold [ Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com> ]
telegraph tales of a librarian revie [ fingerpuppets <woj@smoe.org> ]
associated press mona lisa smile sou [ fingerpuppets <woj@smoe.org> ]
Happy Christmas [ "Johnny Endicott" <jhardrocktoriamo ]
At least the fire damage was minimal [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ]
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:39:00 -0600
From: Simon Booth <simonbooth@mac.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: staying in from the cold
happy birthday megan and bethey!
brian wrote:
>Way back to Simon in digest #1849...
>>I'm not sure if it ever plagued the sci fi films and TV shows from
>>other countries, but with some exceptions most US sci-fi seems to just
>>visually scream what era it was made in
>It's certainly a universal problem, but at least there were usually
bigger
>budgets for sets in US productions compared to those out of the UK. Not
>only did the look become quickly outdated, they looked bad as well, but
>then the plot and characters in BBC productions usually made you
overlook >that.
That was always my feeling about Dr. Who. Third rate effects, no
getting around that, but the stories- the writers always seemed to be
doing something different that US sci-fi scriptwriters never thought
of. Reading some of the behind the scenes stories made me respect the
work the set designers and effects crew were doing with very limited
resources- and never trying to pass off cheesy effects or props as
something better than it really was, as their US counterparts are
notorious for. There are great US-made sci-fi films and TV shows, but
there have also been productions that were pure crap, and the crap
factor magnafied when the producers tried to convince the audience they
were viewing something really cool and innovative. Recall what I said
a while back about recently-made flicks aired by the Sci-Fi channel
(their own in-house made for TV flicks) that were made not too long ago
(past few years at the most) but look like there were made in 1985
because apparently the prop crew got a good deal on a truckload of old
electronic gear to transform into the "futuristic" mission control
center, spaceship bridge, or shuttle cockpit. It's been years since
I've seen one up close, but trust me, I can spot an Apple II and the
associated graphics a mile away!
I swear one of those flicks wasn't even filmed on a proper set dressed
out as a fictional control center or space station- it was actually
filmed in what looked like a space exhibit somewhere- signs and
markings looked like what you'd see in a museum-type display, a lot of
the hardware looked like displays as well (lots of things behind clear
panels), combined with what looked like the cast and crew getting some
filming time in a toned-done mockup instead of building their own set-
or better, actually getting NASA on board to consult and perhaps even
let them film at one of the real facilities.
And in terms of other effects, I've never seen a Dr. Who or Red Dwarf
episode where there was a gratuitous overuse of stock footage in lieu
of original effect filming. Whereas in many US productions, it's very
easy to spot the footage ripped off from other movies or archives.
There's a particular sequence of early 50s nuclear weapons test footage
that has been horribly overused over the years, along with the same
batch of space footage. Catching what's been pillferred from previous
movies is even funnier. I once saw a movie called "Space Mutiny" that
was run in an MST3K episode, and the most obvious thing about it was
that every single effects shot in space were clips from the original
Battlestar Glalactica TV show.
And then of course there's the ever-classic production technique of
making the film look like either Alien, Blade Runner, or Mad Max!
by the way, despite what some purists say, I think the remake of
"Galactica" kicks ass. Much more grim than what would have been
allowed in 1978- and I admit, harder to watch in places nowadays, but
IMHO, an excellent retelling of the story while still keeping the
original concept intact.
oh yeah, and it doesn't have "made in 2003!" written all over it ;)
anyway-
>Simon again, this time in #1851:
>>I was on a trip once where the cabin my group was in actually had
>>running water.
>>Running water so cold that upon turning on the shower you could
achieve
>>superconductivity in the human nervous system. Might as well have
been
>>outside in the nearby river.
>I have experienced exactly that in Nepal. We camped at a site with a
shower
>and toilet block, which was an incredibly rare thing. One of the women
in
>the group was the first to try it out and when she started the shower,
she
>let out one almighty scream. The water was being fed from a mountain
stream
>uphill with no heating. I was third in, so at least by that stage I'd
been
>given tips on what not to do. I think I ran the water for a total of 20
>seconds, first to get wet and then to wash the soap off.
That river wasn't the Styx, was it? ;) What really throws
city-dwellers is how much cooler things are once you're out in the
country- even during the summer, there's a noticeable difference, and
yeah, despite warm weather all around, a stream or river is going to be
cold.
I've remarked about things being cryogenic, to say really cold.
occasionally though someone wants to know what cryogenic means, so I
explain it as a fancy way of saying "really fucking cold".
In such situations there is always someone who loves to tell everyone
it's not cold...or if it's hot and there's no way to cool off, tell
everyone the weather's great. those people are evil, they live purely
to piss off their fellow travelers. In court your defense could be
"but he wouldn't shut the hell up about how it was only a dry heat..."
;)
>Tell that to my aching bones, old man.
you really want to talk about aching bones around me? ;)
on that note, good news: my father had knee replacement surgery on the
10th and returned home from the hospital this past thursday. Amazing
technology- artificial knee joint is put in the place of the damaged
joint.
Now if researchers would get off their asses and invent something
similar to deal with degenerated spinal discs and vertebrae.
happy birthday cyndi, gelsey, and nicole!
welcome back lavs!
estraven wrote:
>Texas creeped me out,
Texas creeps me out too!
bethey- that 2003 version of Little Red Riding Hood was funny.
>Subject: Positive thinking Works!!!
and positronic thinking works for androids!
>I need help. The musician, Nefrit, and her drummer are Vegan.
I think the signal Jodi Foster picked up in "Contact" was send by
Vegans....
brian wrote:
>It's one of those times when you can truly utter the phrase, "Only in
>America" and really mean it. What I can't believe is some want to
change
>the constitution to allow foreign nationals the right to run for
president.
>Hello? What happened last time a charismatic, expatriate Austrian led a
>superpower?
look what's happened already with a charismatic guy from Texas running
a superpower!
by the way- I ran across a few news items indicating that there's proof
that Arnold's father was a Nazi Party member and possibly even in the
SS. not sure if any of it is true or just gossip though.
happy birthday Eric!
list of the best tori albums:
Little Earthquakes
Under The Pink
Boys For Pele
From The Choirgirl Hotel
To Venus And Back
Strange Little Girls
Scarlet's Walk
Tales Of A Librarian
> *** Does Steel Wool Come From Metal Sheep? digest ***
and do androids dream of them?
happy birthday loni and John!
linda(gyne) wrote about a band called Switchfoot (not to be confused
with Palpatine's band, Sithfoot):
>They were previously listed under Christian rock, but
>they don't really mention religion much in their
>lyrics.
Still, be careful. You have no idea what MK-ULTRA tactics and
techniques they'll employ, hidden in the music.
I sure as hell wasn't fooled by Stryper in the 80s either!
happy birthday Guinnevere!
brian wrote:
>One criticism I have of sci-fi and fantasy (of which I've read a
mountain
>of) is that authors can too easily rigidly define their world, when I
far
>prefer to fill in the gaps myself and create my own world within a few
>defined parameters. Definitely a case of less is more. Also if
something is
>described that doesn't fit in with my version of the author's world
I'll
>mentally switch off. I'd rather see well rounded characters instead of
a
>minutely described world.
I don't mind when a good background story is told to establish the how
and why of the time, place, and characters, but I've seen what you're
talking about where *everything* about what led up to where the story
begins is laid out right from the start- so you end up with cliches,
stereotypes, and predicability about a character's motives, plus it
causes problems with sequels when later works end up tripping over
whatever fictional history and biographical details laid out in the
first story. The best way IMHO to elaborate on what's going on in the
"world" depicted in the story is to slowly let details come up as their
shown to the audience through the eyes of the characters.
The other extreme is when too little is told about the "how and why" of
the characters and the setting- sometimes having enigmatic characters
and air of mystery about the time and place works for a story, but
leaving out too much ends up making everything seem two-dimensional.
linda(gyne) wrote:
>I just downloaded Angels, however, and I'm a bit
>disappointed with that one. It sounds like yet
>another forgettable Scarlet's Walk track.
You're referring to the parallel universe version of the album. The
Scarlet's Walk from *this* dimension is a quantum leap of perfection
beyond the infinite.
happy birthday kerri renee and bethany!
jessica wrote:
>hi. i haven't written a lot lately here. i wish a million dollars
would drop
>out of the sky onto my head.
well, in November of 1971 about US$250,000 dropped from the sky over
southern Washingston state ;)
oh-did you know that Thanksgiving is celebrated in the UK? Over there
though it's called "day the puritans left!" ;)
jim- great to see someone here who's into the whole UFO thing. do you
listen to the Coast to Coast radio show?
One aspect of the UFO phenomenon I've been wondering about but never
seems to get mentioned: has anyone reported encountering aliens wearing
protective gear or spacesuits? everyone talks about the "greys", and
some have reported aliens that look human, but I've always thought that
at least some alien species would have problems being in our
environment unprotected.
And I've often wondered if there's any truth to the claims that all the
secrecy surrounding UFOs from the government's point of view is the
result of hiding their own work in reverse-engineering alien technology
from the Roswell crash and later crashes. It's even been suggested
that the real reason that spaceflight drastically slowed down and
stagnated after the last moon landing is because NASA has been biding
its time until they've perfected and made operational their own
ultraadvanced spacecraft based on whatever has been reverse-engineered
over the past 50 years. The idea being that in the long run it would
be pointless to commit too much to what's officially thought to be
current technology only to have it blown away by something years ahead
of what's considered state of the art.
Bascially, the stuff of sci fi already exists in secret, awaiting the
day when the powers that be feel the world is ready for it.
bethey- I hope I'll have half the story you've told 12 years from now.
happy birthday Nell, Jessica, and Paula!
john wrote:
>What I want is songs with more spice and sass and humor and surprises,
>like a certain red-headed singer used to give us.
"Used to" give us? All those things and more, she has always given us,
and always will.
violet- hugs to you. hope you're feeling better
nell wrote:
>First I want to thank everyone for their birthday e-mails. That was
>really cool, and thoughtful. So, my mom just called me at 7:59A.M., let
>me know I'm born now, sang happy birthday to me and let me go back to
>sleep.
Sounds like what my family does on my birthday, except my parents still
argue about the exact time.... debate over whether I was born at 4:27pm
on 7/27/70 or at 4:37pm on that day.
My sister turned 30 on the 12th, so my email to her had my obligitory
comments I make to everyone who's turned 30 about hiding the blinking
red hand crystal and avoiding the Sandmen. Don't go to Carousel, and
head for Sanctuary.
megan- violent poem is an understatement. what got you in the mood to
think up something like that?
> *** Chipmonks Roasting On An Open Fire digest ***
my version: "Eminem CDs On An Open Fire"
> Top 10 Reasons Why Chanukah is better than Christmas
this was funny as hell!
cyndi- were you able to save anything from the crashed drive?
bethey- great christmas story spoof!
good news about my classes this past semester: two Bs and a C. Good
response on the final project in design...two pieces- one was a black
and white and color interpretation of a photo of an Apollo astronaut,
and the second piece was a similar piece depicting Tori. My take on
her "colorful personality" :)
Glad the reaction and grade on it was good (got an A :) )...I was
reluctant to do a project based on anything I'm really into because I'm
never sure if I'm able to really express my passion for it, but it all
came through in the final work, and my brief explanation actually
carried more info than I thought it would.
looking forward to the drawing class next semester... although I have
to keep reminding myself that my major is computer graphic
arts/sequential track, with all the "traditional" courses I seem I have
to take ;)
and that's it for now. I really do plan on being back here as a
regular.
later!
We live for The One, We die for The One.
Simon
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:41:05 -0500
From: fingerpuppets <woj@smoe.org>
To: fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org,
toriphery@groups.msn.com
Subject: telegraph tales of a librarian review
maybe it's just me, but it's nice to see someone in the media pan the
bonus dvd. i still haven't watched it!
woj
<url:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2003/12/20/bmcds20.xml&sShe
et=/arts/2003/12/20/ixartleft.html >
_________________________________________________________________
Tori Amos
Tales of a Librarian, Atlantic, £13.99
It's a "best-of" collection from her Atlantic years, with four new
songs chucked in. This being Tori Amos, it's arranged not
chronologically, but according to an overarching theme: the library.
Thus, the heartbreaking Playboy Mommy comes under Medicine and Health:
Miscarriage, Professional Widow under Animals: Spiders, and Me and a
Gun comes under Social Problems and Social Services: Rape. It sounds
iffy, but actually it's quite a neat way of placing some fantastic
songs into a sharper focus. There'll be a few complaints about the
ones that got away (Wot? No 1,000 Oceans?), but for the most part,
it's all here in its turbulent glory. The new stuff is OK, but follows
the pattern of Amos's recent material in that she seems to have lost a
bit of her restless squirming spirit.
There's also a DVD with five "live" songs, which is barely worth
bothering with, having been recorded during the soundcheck at some
outdoor concert. The performances are perfunctory, the sound is dull,
and the cameras appear to have been operated with remote control
joysticks by someone wearing a blindfold. David Cheal
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:01:44 -0500
From: fingerpuppets <woj@smoe.org>
To: fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org,
toriphery@groups.msn.com
Subject: associated press mona lisa smile soundtrack review
found this on sfgate.com <url:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/12/22/entertainme
nt1327EST0334.DTL >.
it's not on the ap newswire website yet, but i'm sure it'll show up
there sooner or later.
woj
_______________________________________________________________________
Sound Bites: Audio Reviews
The Associated Press
(12-22) 10:27 PST (AP) --
Various Artists, "Mona Lisa Smile" (Sony)
"Mona Lisa Smile," the soundtrack for the new Julia Roberts film set in
the 1950s, alternates between schmaltzy and sweet, as artists of today
tackle classic songs with varying results.
Celine Dion goes for subtle, but ends up sounding benign and
unspectacular singing "Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered," while Tori
Amos' take on "You Belong to Me" is painfully overwrought. The album's
only original song, Elton John's "The Heart of Every Girl," is fluff --
couldn't he have performed a standard instead?
Amos redeems herself with the sassy and sublime "Murder, He Says."
Equally great is Seal's Nat King Cole-esque rendition of "Mona Lisa."
And Mandy Moore has finally found a cover that works for her in "Secret
Love."
Also included are "Istanbul (Not Constantinople)" and "Sh Boom (Life
Could Be a Dream)" from album producer Trevor Horn's orchestra, and
Rachel Portman's suite from the film. Though not from well-known
artists, all are beautifully done and worth a listen.
Despite the missteps, "Mona Lisa Smile" is a trip back in time worth
taking, at the very least to spark interest in hearing the songs
performed by an artist from the era.
* Rachel Kipp, AP Writer
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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:22:56 +0000
From: "Johnny Endicott" <jhardrocktoriamos@hotmail.com>
To: ToriVolta@aol.com, AZavala@eentertainment.com,
fanpage_toriamos@hotmail.com, cyndi.crawford@juno.com,
wesburrows@sbcglobal.net, anastasia1009@rogers.com,
DewDropInn@yahoogroups.com, fairiephantom@yahoo.com,
exit75@torithoughts.org, veronica_electronica5@yahoo.com,
jkimball72@email.com, WhoTom@aol.com, Mermaidblue@aol.com,
keeganheisner@yahoo.com, deftonedpiano@hotmail.com,
anastasia@carolina.rr.com, NYMIGIRL@aol.com, kroberts@connect.ab.ca,
lisa071573@aol.com, magdalenemoon@yahoo.com, angrygirl@adelphia.net,
ziggy14216@yahoo.com, MaynardsSpiral@aol.com, megasus@scottenterprises.com,
EvillBanana@aol.com, nadyne@sbcglobal.net, Natashacwallace@aol.com,
KNHoppe@aol.com, paul_keels@yahoo.com, precious-things@smoe.org,
rdtrn@torithoughts.org, imatorifreak@yahoo.com, amzd4442001@yahoo.com,
RDamara1@aol.com, ruveni@iprimus.com.au, sarahperry@sbcglobal.net,
the_collectori@yahoo.co.uk, theblackkiss@yahoo.com,
tori-boot@yahoogroups.com, report@torithoughts.org, torinews@smoe.org,
toriphery@groups.msn.com, ustour@torithoughts.org,
violetandmike@torithoughts.org, woj@smoe.org
Subject: Happy Christmas
Happy Christmas
Love Johnny
Or, as Tori would say,
"Have Your Self A Merry Little Chri - Ma
Now"
Merry Christmas
Johnny
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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:39:03 -0500
From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: At least the fire damage was minimal...
I don't know why year after year I do this to myself. Christmas in my life
has been notoriously bad. While my daughter was in her formative years, I'd
make this huge effort to make every Christmas a magical day, everything the
commercials advertise it to be. I may have been a little successful, as she
remembers those days fondly. When I left my ex 6 1/2 years ago, I did away
with any pretense of celebrating any of the holidays. I really rather be
alone was my feeling. If there is no one around, then there are no fights,
no pretenses, no facades. When my daughter returned to Pennsylvania with my
granddaughter 3 years ago, I bought a 2 foot artificial tree and tried to
make things nice around the holiday season for them.
But every year, my daughter tells me around Thanksgiving that (once again)
she won't be able to afford anything for me, so I shouldn't be disappointed.
It's not that I don't get any gifts at Christmas that bothers me. To me, it
truly is the thought that counts. She's a halfway decent artist. I would
love if she would paint me a picture. Just SOMETHING to show that she
thinks of me. I'm not into material possessions, so maybe that's why no one
ever gives me anything.
So I should be used to it, right? I buy myself gifts, wrap them, and open
them on Xmas Day, mostly to alleviate the guilt felt by my family for not
giving me anything. The one year I didn't do this, my daughter told me that
it was the worst thing seeing me just sit there not opening anything. So
this year I gave myself "Concert for George", and "Lennon Legend" DVD's,
and the "Let It Be---Naked" CD (so I got Dead, Naked Beatles for
Christmas!!!. The "George" finale brought me to tears. Rose petals fall
from the top of Albert Hall onto the audience, like gentle kisses from
above). But, this year my little charade really bothered me. I spent a
horrible 4 hours with my ex on Christmas Eve so he wouldn't be completely
deserted for the holidays. Then my daughter and her boyfriend came with my
granddaughter for 3 hours on Xmas before they went to his parents house for
dinner. Right before they left, my little 4 year old angel turned on the
burners of the stove on high. I have stove covers, but a potholder on one
of them caught fire. I caught it before much damage was done, but the place
was filled with smoke, so I had the windows wide open in 30 degrees and
wind. They left as soon as the fire was out.
So I'm sitting there, watching the tribute to George Harrison and feeling
completely lost. I'm a giving person. I don't have much, so I give of
myself mostly. I ask for nothing, and that's what I get. It just struck me
as one of the "wrongest" things in the world. Beth Coulter was completely
friendless on Christmas Day. I don't know what I did wrong, why I deserve
to be as alone as my miserable ex-husband. He actively chases people from
his life, so he's alone. I don't think I do that, but I must have. My
phone didn't ring once (then again, it never does). And I feel horrible
that I'm unloading all this on you, like I'm whining and complaining. But
maybe I haven't ever really said that I'm really completely, utterly alone
in my life. It used to be what I wanted. My cat completed my need for
relationships outside of cyberspace.
But this year for Christmas, I realized this is no longer acceptable. If I
want to continue giving as much as I do, and more, to change the world, it
must be replenished by having actual relationships in the physical world.
After my epiphany last June, I shocked people by greeting with hugs, because
I've always been the least demonstrative person of anyone. But this change
in me creates the need to touch people on all levels, not just emotionally
and intellectually. But how does one go about letting the world know she
needs people? Maybe like this. It takes a great swallow of pride and
dignity, but maybe by telling people this is how I am, I can take steps to
change the situation I've created for myself over the years.
uh, thanks for listening. If it made you uncomfortable, I'm really sorry,
it was not my intent. I really don't have any social graces, and I've never
really had interpersonal relationships before, not healthy ones. I don't
know the rules for this sort of thing.
Fairy Blessings,
Bethey
I'm OK when Everything's not OK
cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say
And I have always been a Fairy.
www.bethcoulter.com
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