RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1947

RDT Right Now #1947

From: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:24:55 -0700
Subject: RDT Right Now #1947
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org

Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 05 : Issue #1947 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o response to hejira@u-town.com [ "Rikki ." <liquidice93@hotmail.com> ] response to Bethany [ OMBO@aol.com ] RE: please tell me why Tori Amos doe [ Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@comcast.net ] Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 12:52:34 +0000 From: "Rikki ." <liquidice93@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: response to hejira@u-town.com This is in regards to the slamming Bethany did about Toris album.. Everyone is absolutely entitled to their opinion... Is the Beekeeper like Little Earthquakes... NO... WHY Tori is at a different stage in her life... she is not angry and hurt and searching... now it seems she is HAPPY.. and a ver dedicated mother... As a true Tori fan I would expect that you would be happy for her growth. You dont have to love everything an artist turns out, and sometimes albums are not what you expect. Sometimes they are not like anything else the artist has put out in the past, but that is due to growth and changes in ones life. I think Tori is writing what is going on in her life now maybe in some peoples eyes she has not hit her artistic abilities, I beg to differ. Just because someone changes it up a bit and tones things down doesnt mean the album sux. In your eyes yes.. you are entitled to your opinion.. I however beg to differ. Is this album different YES, does it suck I think not. "TORI" is still there, this album is just at a different level. Just an opinion from a very dedicated open minded fan. Rikki -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:54:22 EDT From: OMBO@aol.com To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: response to Bethany Hi. Some of you may remember me. I was an active member once, but I've been lurking for awhile now. This will not be a major delurk - I'll try to do one soon - but I did want to respond to Bethany's screed against The Beekeeper. In particular, I wanted to respond to her attack on those who don't agree with her opinion of Tori's new work. Just to let you know how I feel about the album, it's not one of my favorites of hers. Some of the songs I like, others not so much. (Indeed, one problem with the album is that it's way too long.) However, I reject the notion that she's gone soft; Scarlet's Walk is pretty much tied with Pele as my favorite album of hers. And I thought her shows on the first leg of the tour were first-rate, and I very much look forward to the shows I'm seeing next month. (Which, incidentally, I don't find to be "overpriced" at all, at least not in comparision to other artists of her stature.) So, no, I personally don't find her music to be "slipping away from me". And Bethany, if you disagree with me, that's fine. Many people I know and respect do indeed feel that Tori is no longer making music that speaks to them. However, these people don't see fit to essentially say that those who disagree with their OPINION of Tori's music have something wrong with them. I am not, to my mind, "swallow(ing)...dreck". Remember, "The Emperor's New Clothes" is a fairy tale. This is real life, where intelligent people can disagree, especially over something as subjective as musical taste. So, yeah. If you hate her new music, that's fine. If you feel betrayed by her, also fine. But don't make assumptions about those of us who might disagree with you, OK? We're not fairy-wing wearing sycophants just because we don't share your disillusionment. Steve the Sweet Fat Man -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:24:14 -0600 From: Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@comcast.net> To: hejira@u-town.com, RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: RE: please tell me why Tori Amos doesn't suck hmmm...something tells me that whatever I say isn't going to make any difference to you...but might as well put in my two cents. I don't find Tori's work, nor TBK in particular, unoriginal or uninteresting, for a couple of reasons: 1) I think her voice is as strong as ever, and in some cases even better and stronger. 2) The songs, although no longer about personal tragedy and angst, are now delving beneath the surface of what is actually going on with humanity and society. Which I find fascinating. TBK is full of mythology and questions and speculations on humanity and society in general. It's fascinating to me because that's the kind of stuff I care about. I appreciate how Tori thinks, and her views on what is going on in the world around her are right in my line of sight as well. 3) The sound of her music is changing and evolving over time. It's not crap; it's different. So you don't like it. Fine. But I enjoy it; I don't find her comparable to anybody else and all of her songs and albums are different from one another. But this is coming from me: a person who appreciates, enjoys, and listens to a wide range of musical styles from jazz, to blues, to gospel, to country, to punk rock, and alternative rock. I like all of it, so nothing Tori does is ever distasteful to me. And I have always found her work with piano and piano-like instruments to be above par and always reaching new ground. I love the organ on this album; it fits right in. 4) I appreciate the fact that she isn't in the place she was in 10-15 years ago. I would be seriously raising my eyebrows if, at almost 45 years of age, she was still putting out the same music. I would be the one raging on with questions of, "Is she EVER going to anything different?" But that's just me. I get really tired of artists whose music doesn't change. Tori's music has simply evolved to a sound that you don't personally enjoy. There's nothing wrong with that, but there are many of us who enjoy different musical styles and are more than willing to hang out with Tori's sound. However, I really resent you saying that some of us are lapping this up just because it's Tori. That's a potshot that's uncalled for. Roxanne o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** Subliminal Day Off digest *** To POST messages to this list: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Can't figure out how to SUB, UNSUB, or CHANGE ADDRESSES? Send a message to <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "help" as the subject. Digest PROBLEMS or QUESTIONS? Contact: <admin@torithoughts.org> Want your BIRTHDAY announced on RDTRN in 2005? Visit the registration form located at http://www.torithoughts.org/RDTRN/birthday.html RDTRN SITE AND ARCHIVES: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn RDTRN'S SUBLIMINAL THOUGHTS (you can't see this): http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/subliminal/ For information on joining the TORITOUR list: Send a blank message to <tour@torithoughts.org> and you'll receive an instruction file. Any self-respecting Toriphile is on The Registry. (That means you!) http://thedent.developium.com/ _ . /\ , _ _ ( _ )_ {Oo\{o\ .=. ( ` )_ (_ _(_ ,) {o: \:.\ / \ ( ) `) | {O:' \:.-'_.-\_)____ (_ (_ . _) _) \ _ / {o:. /`~('-./-----.\ -= (_) =- }o: // /| `/\ ( ) / \ {O:'// /-' /\/\ ( ` ) . ) | }o-/( <___ \'/ /\/\/\ (_, _( ,_)_) /o./ ;--._)====* -\/\/\/ `"`\ \ /.\ `""` \ \ \ \ wWWWw wWWWw /`\ ) vVVVv (___) wWWWw (___) vVVVv |/| | vVVVv (___) ~O~ (___) vVVVv ~H~ (___) vVVVv _// \| (___) ~H~ \| ~U~ (___) |/ ~T~ (___) | / || \~T~/ \| \ |/ \| / \~G~/ \| \ |/ \~S~/ |/ / | \\|// \\|// \\|// \\|/// \\|// \\|// \\\|/// \\|// ` `\| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ` thanks for visiting this pretty garden

[Prev Digest Date Index Next Digest]
[Author Index]

ToriThoughts.Org > RDTRN > Archives > August 2005