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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 05 : Issue #1949
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A World Peace Coalition to join [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ]
Replies to Cindy's post [ Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@comcast.net ]
some more replies to Cindy... [ Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@comcast.net ]
Re: RDT Right Now #1948 [ "Steven Taylor" <nomad01@blueyonder ]
It's alive! [ "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> ]
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Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:20:53 -0400
From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: A World Peace Coalition to join
Hey All,
This is a mailing list that I joined that has several options to belong
depending on the amount of email you want. Although it is based in the San
Francisco area, it was an idea born right outside of Allentown, PA! Check
out the below, and the address to join is bflyspirit@aol.com. If nothing
else, please read it. It is such an important idea.
Peace,
Beth
Invite to a Musical Peace Movement Born on the Wings of Butterflies
"By the time we got to Woodstock, we were half a million strong and
everywhere was song and celebration. And I dreamed I saw the bombers riding
shotgun in
the sky, turning into butterflies above our nation."
When Joni Mitchell wrote the lyrics to her Woodstock song, it was more than
inspirational, it was truly prophetic. What we called 'flower power' then is
evolving into 'butterfly power' now and being embraced by more people than
embraced the peace and love generation of the 60's.
In 1993 National Geographic proclaimed that a butterfly can, with a flap of
its wings, change the world and that the ripple it sends out can spawn a
hurricane. In another issue that same year Geographic stated, "...Beauty
seems to
be an intrinsic part of nature, and perhaps even the organizing principle of
reality. Scientists, in testing their theories, invariably find that the
simplest, most elegant, most beautiful equation, is the correct one.
Rainbows,
butterflies, and the periodic table are some examples of intrinsic beauty.
The
world will be saved by beauty."
The butterfly initiative intends to do just that by becoming a catalyst for
helping to cocreate a culture of world peace and global harmony. The
butterfly
could be the key to what we call the "paradigm shift." Our butterfly Earth
Proclamation was endorsed by James Redfield and Dr. Paul Ray, coauthor of
the
book on Cultural Creatives.
The Butterfly Network is a group of individuals and organizations trying to
build a worldwide network for global change. We intend to do this by
developing
and promoting events and programs that will inspire citizens on a worldwide
basis. This coalition of organizations is in the process of coming together
&
getting a structure in place.
We are inviting you to discover how this project may be just what you have
been seeking for a long time. We are collaborating with a consortium of
groups
and individuals to open up centers for peace, justice, and global healing
all
over the world, starting right here in the San Francisco Bay area. It will
collectively house the Butterfly Gardeners Association, Performing and Fine
Artists for World Peace, Project Chrysalis, Authors for a Positive
Millennium, a
branch of the International Association of Educators for World Peace, the
Woodstock Nation Foundation, a nonviolence program for youth, a crisis
program for
women, a grief counseling program, a children's reading, gardening and
environmental education program, and an indigenous support outreach among
other
things.
Before we continue, please reply and ask to subscribe to our email list.
Otherwise you may not receive anymore correspondence from us.
Please also let me know at least what your City, State and Zip code is.
That
way we can let you know of any important local happenings. Complete contact
information including your snail mail address and telephone number would be
appreciated, but is not necessary.
Those living in the San Francisco Bay area will be informed weekly of the
best political events, actions, festivals and gatherings around.
We are inviting you to work with us hand in hand. To be candid, we are
looking for individuals and organizations that don't have ego vested
interests &
whose driving force is primarily focused on improving conditions for all
people
on Earth rather than focused on personal gain or greed.
We have discovered that there are thousands of organizations, big and small,
working to bring people together to help heal the world in one way or the
another. When fundraising, marketing and PR strategies begin to dominate an
organization's goals, they risk losing site of the fundamental objectives
and values
that once birthed them. They risk becoming more and more like the system
they once vowed to help transform. Our intention is to partner with those
that
understand this. We seek to create a network that transcends these
limitations
and offers hope of a global all-encompassing vision for the world.
Are you willing to support such a coalition? Are you interested in
exploring
what might be possible if we all worked together and synergized our efforts?
<clip for space>
On March 18, 2003 His Holiness the Dalai Lama endorsed our Earth
Proclamation. It was also featured on James Redfield's Celestine Vision
site. He thrilled
us all by featuring the Earth Proclamation on his front page for about a
month beginning in February 2000.
We are a magically attuned world peace, environmental and spiritual network
built on Synchronicity. Please let me know if this resonates with you.
I have a whole collection of amazing stories, poetry, and happenings that
people have been sharing. If you can endorse the Earth Proclamation and
forward
it and any other material from us to your email buddies, it would be very
much
appreciated.
I have also coined a new meaning for the word butterfly, which used a verb
means to give or teach someone the gift of looking at the world, as with
butterfly eyes, and seeing only the beauty, love, and harmony in the world
around
them. If we can reach out and butterfly people all over the world, we may
be
heralding the dawn of a major paradigm shift and find ourselves living in
the
Butterfly Era of global civilization that author Norie Huddle envisions.
Looking forward to hearing from you soon.
May Peace Prevail on Earth!
Alan D. Moore
Butterfly Gardeners Association & Musicians & Fine Artists for World Peace -
Director and founder
Vallejo Performing Arts & Conference Center - Director
International Association of Educators for World Peace - Western States
Program Director
Authors for a Positive Millennium - Co-director
707 Marin Street, Vallejo, Ca 94590
Send mail to: POB 1511, Vallejo, Ca 94590
707-552-9886
bflyspirit@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:07:36 -0600
From: Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@comcast.net>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Replies to Cindy's post
Hey Cindy,
Thought I'd take a stab at some of your questions:
> "why are people so scared of the dark? why are people so afraid of LIFE?
> life isn't necessarily light. or dark. life is both. why do we shun one
> thing and embrace the other? why do we want balance but actively reject
> it?"
Because that's the way we are. It's human nature to want the easy way of
things. We don't like to struggle, and so many of us don't like or are
extremely uneasy with change. It's hard to accept the fact that you
can't live life without either. That's why so many people would rather
take a pill to ease their suffering, rather than look at their lives and
make the necessary hard changes it requires.
> "I don't know what's gotten into me, but there's no use in fighting it or
> trying to deny it or.. trying to cover it up and soften the blow with
> pretty little lies. no use whatsoever. so why do I fight it? why do we
> resist change? why are we afraid of ourselves? why have we been brought
> up to be afraid of everything? why have we been raised to believe that
> pleasure is bad?"
Same answer as above. Plus:
You also need to look at how your parents were raised and how your
parents have raised you. Because obviously what they think and how they
were raised also trickles down to you. It's a hard process to shake off
those influences and live your own life, and I've always thought that
this process is half the battle of living. Some succeed, but most don't.
Those who do are truly blessed. I think it's a good sign to see you
questioning these things about yourself. Eventually, I think, you will
find the answers you need, but they come through the experience of
living life and learning from mistakes and fumbles.
> "we cover our faces in embarrassment when we watch a couple in a movie
> express their love for each other (and of course I mean tastefully--I'm
> not exactly talking about porn here), and yet we hardly flinch when we
> watch our favorite actor blow yet another extra's head to bits in that
> smash movie of the year. you might think I'm being a little extreme with
> this. but you'd be surprised.
>
> we're so busy trying to blow up the terrorists and the nay-sayers that we
> can't be bothered to fix things at home. and home is what needs the
> repair jobs more than anywhere else. why are we so scared?"
1) It's easier to blame someone else for all our problems rather than
looking at what it is we're doing wrong in our society.
2) I think humans are naturally fascinated by gore and violence. Think
of all the wars that have been fought since the dawn of civilization.
It's in our nature to conquor (sp) and kill and dominate, and we like to
share it with others. The paradox is that we also crave and seek love,
affection, and softness, but we like to keep it private (well for the
most part)--especially when that love and affection is between life
partners. It's a strange fact of life, but true nonetheless. Another
paradox is that we value things like honesty, courage, and morality at
the same that we lie, cheat, and steal. It's the light and the dark of
humanity. Can't have one without the other.
> "we do all of these natural things, and we get punished for them.. it's
> no wonder we're all so fucking dead on the inside. it's no wonder we all
> hurt so badly. it's no wonder we do nothing but cry out for help anymore.
> it's no wonder we're becoming numb. I don't want to be numb. I want to
> live. I want to be alive. I do not belong here on this planet. I don't
> belong here at all."
I think you're making a very generalized assumption here. Not everyone
is dead; not all of us hurt or are numb. I think everyone is some of the
time at one time or another, but not all the time. This fast paced,
competative society we live in is full of problems for sure, and it's
not easy to deal with our society's expectations of what sucess is. I
think that's what we struggle with the most.
Cindy, I would like to suggest a couple of books to you:
1) Sociology: The Architecture of Everyday Life, by Daniel Newman
Yes, it's a textbook, but it's damn good for explaining many of the
theories of why things are the way they are. I had this for a recent
class, but I find myself turning to it again and again, and it's also
very well written for a textbook, with a lot of examples and case studies.
2) The Sociological Imagination by C. Wright Mills.
This is a very old book, written in the 1950's by one of the most
famous sociological theorists. I think it will clarify a lot of things
for you and help to answer some of the questions you have.
Maybe I'll write some more on this later, but right now, this is long
enough!
Roxanne
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Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:20:08 -0600
From: Roxanne Rieske <rokzane@comcast.net>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: some more replies to Cindy...
> I know I suffer from depression and anxiety. I want a
> psychiatrist/therapist (whatever) to diagnose it officially, but I have a
> very good feeling that I suffer from anxiety and depression (the
> depression possibly being due to the anxiety).
>
> to make matters worse, I have wanted to get tattoos for years upon years.
> even from a relatively (we're talking preteens and even younger) young
> age, I've wanted tattoos. I also like the scars on my body. I don't know
> why exactly, but I do. I have yet to ever pick up a knife or some other
> sharp object and inflict pain upon myself (I don't like pain), but I do
> love every single scar that is on my body."
Why not go to a medical doctor? Most competant medical doctors can
diagnose depression and anxiety just as well as a psychiatrist and they
can even give you meds for it if that's what you want. Personally, I
think too many people are diagnosed with depression and anxiety and told
that pills will make them all better, but that's a whole other discussion.
Why is wanting tattoos wrong? Why does that make matter's worse? I've
wanted a couple tatoos myself for years, but right now can't afford
them. I don't think there's anything wrong with me. I've got several
scars on my body as well, most of them burn scars from my job as a bread
baker, and I've got several nasty scars from knife wounds from working
in kitchens. I'm actually kind of proud of each one of them and wouldn't
want them to disappear.
Nothing wrong with that.
Roxanne
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Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:46:12 +0100 (BST)
From: "Steven Taylor" <nomad01@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1948
John Bragazzi wrote
> I've thought some more about this question of whether "married with
> children" = mellow and settled (for art and artists, or anybody else).
<snip>
> Oliver Stone was married with children when he wrote "Scarface" (I was
<snip>
> Courtney Love was married with a child when her band made "Live Through
<snip>
> Robert Altman has been married for the last 46 years, so he was married
So does getting married and having kids make you happier? No, not
necessarily.
Did getting married and having a kid make Tori happier? Yes, I'd say it
definitely did. She certainly seems more settled now.
Just because some artists don't let their personal life influence their
work, doesn't mean that applies every time. Tori is more settled now and
from reading Piece by Piece, it seems she feels she could never create
anything like Pele again.
As for the Beekeeper, my initial reaction was that it was a bit more
"safe" and maybe even bland. However, months later, I'm still going back
to it almost daily to hear more.
I trust Tori's judgement. She seems to create what comes naturally to her.
If Boys for Pele part 2 didn't flow from her, that's fair enough. I'd
rather embrace what she wants to create than have her forcing something
that she doesn't want to create.
I think that The Beekeeper is musically very good. It's still Tori. It's
just in a different wrapping.
Just my 2 cents.
Steve
nomad01@blueyonder.co.uk
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Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 19:34:32 +1000
From: "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au>
To: "The ArtyTurner Keeper" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: It's alive!
And so am I. Just not very vocal here.
Nice to see some discussion of Tori's work here. But I don't think I'm up to
joining in to any great depth. I can manage to get things out of The
Beekeeper, but then I find myself wondering that if I can when so many
others are, have I just been a sap and bought into it all too much? It's
been a while since I spent much time thinking about it all, so the thoughts
just aren't there at the moment.
Otherwise I am pretty good, just keeping myself busy. Mostly making cards
(which you can checkout via the webshots link in my sig). Tiarna is going
well at school, reading and writing and all that stuff. Shaelea is becoming
more of a girly girl every day and will happily fill a trolley for you if
you don't keep an eye on her. And most of it would be pink stuff.
X
Lavs
http://hp-h.com/p/lavenda/
http://community.webshots.com/user/luincaran
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