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Date:
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RDT Right Now #1640
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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1640
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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I'd plant ivy if I had somewhere to [ "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> ]
crying with the music on [ "Gabriela Kulka" <gabakulka@wp.pl> ]
random babblings cuz it's so damn ho [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ]
Re: RDT Right Now #1639 [ Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodig ]
make it stop... [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ]
Real Men [ Brian Cooper <ByteMe@smartchat.net. ]
[ =================> On This Day In RDT History <================= ]
On June 4th in 1992, a review of Tori's show in Chicago reveals
that she has a boyfriend! She dedicated "Song for Eric" to him
at this show. (Most likely the April 29, 1992 show).
In 1994, Billboard runs a full-page ad with a picture of Tori,
announcing the news that "God" hit #1 on the magazine's modern
rock chart. Also, a fan posted the transcript of a long article
Rolling Stone printed in their June 30, 1994 issue (#685).
In 1996, readers were posting set lists and reviews during the
Boys for Pele tour -- and timing how long Tori held the
"grrrrrl" during "Precious Things." Also, people were
discussing how they felt about Tori covering "Whoomp, There It
Is" during a live show.
In 2001, RDTers were debating hot and heavy over sex and
relgion -- again! -- more specifically, whether it's okay to
laugh during sex, and whether it's okay to bring up one's
religious belief while someone else is going through a
difficult time.
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:43:57 +1000
From: "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au>
To: "Strange Little Arty Turners" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: I'd plant ivy if I had somewhere to grow it.
>From the May 25th retro:
>Tori did not tour Australia that year.
Or any year since. ~humph~
:) Coops' response to the b'day mix up had me giggling. Look at it this way,
it may have helped a few get in on the right time and not have to add
'belated' to their message.
heh, Bethey revived the parody in our modern era :)
A word on the lucky sod who went to that Syd Tori gig in May 92... someone
thinks they know who he is... someone is trying to track him down... he has
photos smegit, and early tv appearances!!! (btw haven't watched the vid yet
Coops, and thanx for the mag, it was a great surprise!)
Coops asked:
>Has anyone ever had a dream where they've woken up, then actually woke up
>to find that they dreamt they woke up? I've had it happen a couple of times
a number if times. Once was my phantom cat dream (previously posted, search
the archives if you're desperate), the others were the three or four times I
had dreams where either a dog (the big fat labrador from the place I was
living at the time) or a cat was sitting on my chest and I couldn't breathe
or move (sounds like a night terror except they were familiar creatures and
didn't have bulging red eyes).
Let alone the dreams where you think you've got up like any other morning
and started on the chores for the day only to find you are still in bed and
it was all a dream...
>Kevin. I'm not in his league, you hairy-arse felching, gerbil funneling,
^^^^^^^^
heh, it was 6 or 7 years ago the definition for that was given on list -
probably the start of our descent. I doubt in 96 they thought the list would
ever discuss crotch scum and the like.
Succubus Megan bemoaned hotmail and mentioned she was looking for a new
address. As I said yesterday, start.com.au (which I championed here a couple
of times) closed down last night and I've had to find a new email addy for
some yahoogroups lists and homepages. I'm not sure whether it's patriotism
or I'm hoping that another account ending in .au will result in no spam, but
I've gone for aussiemail.com.au :) So there's a suggestion based on about 5
mins experience.
Violet wanted to know what Tori songs make me cry. I fear I'm going to be
rather predictable in this department. "Winter" - for what it makes me think
of my childhood and youth with my dad. "Playboy Mommy" - just the thought of
it's point (though it's more getting choked in the throat). "1000 Oceans" -
you know how the sound of running water can exacerbate a full bladder? The
word 'tears' in this song can bring them out in me, and that's the only
explanation I can come up with.
caught up - but I wanna dwell on timelines and such before I make a reply to
that (if I do).
X
Lavs
(Lavenda 1, primary adjunct of dominatrix Glenn)
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Who could ever say you're not simply wonderful
- 'Merman', Tori Amos
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http://www.freewebz.com/drifts/start.html - Drifts Get Deeper
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:03:00 +0200
From: "Gabriela Kulka" <gabakulka@wp.pl>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: crying with the music on
'aye!
Was there originally a question in the previous digest about Tori songs that
make you cry? Or did I dream it??? Anyway - I think I will answer that
(imaginary or not) question. (yes, yes, I actually chuck out the digests I
had read, sometimes it's a mistake, but whatever).
Quite a few Tori songs make me glassy-eyed. Many make me emotional, not in a
sad way only just... intense. But it's like she says "I play this song when
I'm sad. But I'm not sad i just like to be sad" (quoted inaccurately).
So as to crying ones...
"Mother" usually gets me. (welll..... apart from the fact it's a brilliant
song - I'm just a weeping fool whenever someone sings about a mother - it's
BIZARRE I tell you. Me and my mum are just *fine*, still, it can be the
bloody Peter Pan song (Wendy singing about what a mother is) and i'm in
pieces. It's sick. Don't even try playing me "Mother Stands For Comfort" by
Kate Bush. gah! Or that tiny bit from Peter Gabriel's "Family Snapshot" -
mum, dad, seems I have a thing about parents)
But anyway:
"..mother the car is here.
Somebody leave the light on..." it's just so... It must be touching a
sensitive spot. Something about severing a navel cord a couple of years too
late. Or not at all.
"He's gonna change my name,
maybe you'll leave the light on?"
:-)
Another song that touches me in a very different way is "Suede". Because you
don't see it coming.
Here's how it works, the first part is the one that lures you into a
decidedly tear-free mode. It's mysterious and confident in a way. Seductive.
And at the same time says things I can relate to in an odd way - it carries
inferences that I somehow coded with my own personal experience. "You always
felt like suede, there are days I am your twin"... "this has power over me,
not because you feel something or don't feel something for me but because...
a mass... so great... can swallow her whole star intact."
and it seems bitter-sweet at places, like an unanswer prayer of someone who
had long since gritted his teeth.
"My fear is greater than my faith"
"Call me evil, call me... anything that you want"
But then suddenly it twists you around, it throws you into compassion (or
self-pity, I'm not sure.). It suddenly bears its vunerability with that soft
piano melody and...
"Oh... little sister I wished you wouldn't feel that way
Oh little sister I hoped you didn't feel that way
Oh little sister I wish."
And this bit breaks me. It's like, when things are a bit on the darker side,
I am able to lock away just as long as somebody doesn't show compassion. If
someone shows this little bit of tenderness and sympathy, this is the point
when the flood is released. Something in that last part is the point where
it all overflows and like a little pebble that causes a landslide.
"Suede" makes me cry.
Gabriela
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:59:55 -0400
From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: random babblings cuz it's so damn hot I don't wanna do anything
Gabriela presented a very interesting scenario in reply to my "Mark Of
Cain" kind of idea.. I won't paste it all in here.. however.. good
point.. VERY good point.. hmmm... I dunno.. I guess we'd just have to
hope they remembered what they did and were sorry about it for the rest
of their lives, huh?
um.. what *is* a spooge-towel anyway..? *clueless*
Ade said: "for some reason that provoked an evil, perverted thought...
that's it, i'm going back to g-rated novels!"
nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! NOT THE G-RATED NOVELS! EEEEEEK!!!
Ben said: "Cyndi--i agree with version on TVaB. Another great version is
on the Harpsichord performed in '96"
ooooh! I may have to check that out then! :)
Jewel said of weight gain: "it's a constant battle, i tell you. a
consuming, self-conscious thought."
ugh! don't I know it! :P I need to drop a few pounds myself (not
so I can fit into some tight jeans or something--more like so I can live
to be 80 instead of just 60-something like both my grandfathers did due
to heart disease).. *shakes head*
okay that's all from me, I got shit to do. BLAH. later lovely Arty
Turners!! :)
Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM)
http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ --
http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ --
http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/
Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do.
Not. Describe. Myself."
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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 18:14:48 -0500
From: Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodigy.net.mx>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1639
Miss Kulka debauchously expressed:
"I don't think the fear of lynch etc. is the only factor"
I find fear of Lynch is an important factor in my life. I found Lost Highway
incredible, and then Mulholland Drive just blew my mind. I still have to
find it in DVD and watch it again, maybe 20 more times, to start getting the
whole... I love Lynch, but I'm also afraid of him, i dont think he's from
this planet. To put it in better words:
Me gusta pero me asusta.
e.
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Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 01:46:56 +0000
From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: make it stop...
cyndi, you've given me no choice... sorry to those of you who hate these.
*~!~*You*~!~*
me? wow!
Full Name(as it appears on your birth certificate): i'm not telling!
thbbbbbbbb!
Birthdate: 5/18/83
Hometown: east lyme, ct
Where you live now: murrysville, pa
Parents: rob and bonnie
Siblings: katie
Pets: belle the kitty and nicky the birdy
Hobbies: writing, coloring, cutting out paper dolls, buying craft supplies i
won't use for 5 years, neopets, computer games, etc.
School: allegheny college
School mascot: gator
Grade: er... going on 14th grade?
*~!~*FAVORITES*~!~*
Color: dunno. rainbow?
Animal: monkeys and kitties and piggies
Friends: favorite friends? megan, laura, and cj (yes, i'll admit it, i play
favorites)
Car: mr. bean's yellow mini
Vacation spot: vermont
Country: kyrgyzstan because it has a funky name (and england because they
have awesome accents)
Food: strawberry ice cream
Fast food restaurant: wendy's
Restaurant: yum wok
Drink: apple juice and orange gatorade
Thing to do when you're bored: play with all my toys, play on the computer,
write
Person to talk to: my grandma and cj
Person to hang out with: cj, bill, nina, and dave, preferrably in bill and
nina's hot tub
Boy name: andy
Girl name: amy, lily
Store/clothing brand: hot topic, media play, i don't wear specific clothing
brands
TV Show: full house, spongebob, the osbournes
Parent: eh, they both have their high and low points. can i pick my grandma
instead?
Sibling: can i pick a cousin instead? i pick kara.
Sport: fencing
*~!~*Would you rather....(and you can't just put"neither"!!)*~!~*
why not? humph...
Fall into a pool of sharks,or fall into a bed of crabs: pool of sharks.
they're the harmless, 2-foot-long kinds, right?
Jump out of a burning building,or jump out of a plane: building
Go into a sunken ship not knowing what you might find,or go into a cave
with who knows what, living in it: ooh, go into a caaaaaaave... might find
some cool neanderthal skeletons...
Find a million billion dollars in gold coins, or find a million billion
dollars in diamonds: hmmm, diamonds i guess.
Meet the man/woman of your dreams and have to give up your dream job,or
get your dream job and make millions of dollars,but never meet "the one":
i'll take the job. i don't need a significant other.
*~!~*What comes to mind when you HeAr.....*~!~*
Hottie: those stupid little tshirts they sell at "rave"
Summer: prancing around in the sun
Turtle: cute little green things with shells
Love: a big red heart
Dog: my friend's doggie
Winter: the color white and the song
Porta-Potty: those 6th grade "judge wopner" cases my friends and i did (we
were sooooo silly...)
Pink: EVIL!
Princess: laura because she always claims to be one
Baseball: dorky uniforms
Best friend: those cheap little necklaces you buy at claire's and how
important the label is in elementary school and junior high and how i don't
have an official one but i love my friends dearly
Mall: a bunch of teenyboppers carrying huge abercrombie bags
Snakes: slithery things
Brothers/Sisters: katie
Farm: those old musicals i wrote in 9th grade
*~!~*friends*~!~*
Best friend: dunno... well, megan, laura, and cj are all pretty close
friends... so them, i guess
2nd Best friend: ah, so here we go prioritizing people. well, i'm not going
to do that.
Who do you hang out with the most: i don't see my friends as much as i
should, probably because they all live basically on the opposite sides of
town from me. but i saw cj on both saturday and sunday so that's good.
Who do you love the most: myself, not to be narcissistic, but i spend a lot
of time alone so i know myself very well and have grown to love my own
company
Who do you come to with all of your problems: i tend to email several
friends, cj the most because she actually responds most of the time
Who do you talk to on the internet the most: my canadian friend maigan who
is completely obsessed with the rocky horror picture show and loves my
fanfic
Who makes you laugh the most: probably kathy and laura, they're just
sillyheads
Who do you fight with or have problems with the most: nobody really, but
laura likes to debate things a lot, which i get tired of
Who do you think you will definitely be friends forever with (and don't
just put"all of them"!): probably megan
Who have you known the longest: well, even though i rarely talk to tj any
more, we've been friends since 3rd grade, and i've known spam since 5th
grade
Who do you cry with: my friends rarely see me cry, but when i get upset, i
tend to email cj the most.
Who do you have the most in common with: well, megan and i are sort of like
mismatched bookends, though she likes horror stuff and i'm a wimp
*~!~*Relationships*~!~*
If you're single....
which i am
Who is your crush(full name): hey, i like being single! do i have to have a
crush? i don't really have one. well, a few slight ones, like "rapunzel"
and someone whose name i don't want to mention on this list
If you could be with anyone,who would it be: jareth the goblin king!
What does your crush look like: jeez! do we have to go into this? *sigh*
fine. well, "rapunzel" has long, wavy blond hair, she's short and pudgy,
has a pretty face, and apparently wears long, flowy skirts a lot. the other
person... i won't mention. i... kinda know what he looks like... *blushes*
What is the best thing about them: uh... actually i've never really met
"rapunzel" (i was just kinda hypnotized by her during the theatre group's
performance of "into the woods"), but she has a beautiful voice. the other
person... i just love his personality. he's fun, philosophical, poetic...
yeah.
How long have you been single: a little over 19 years (uh, i had a boyfriend
in 1st grade, but that doesn't count)
Do you like being single,or would you rather be taken: i love being single!
it's so carefree! there's still that curiosity and loneliness, but right
now i'm happier being single.
If you're taken....
i'll imagine then. i'm with my imaginary husband, andy.
By whom: andy the invisible dude
How long have you been together: since i invented him in 8th grade
Do you love them: yeah! he introduced me to the pleasures of sexual
fantasies!
What do they look like: like me, only he's a guy
What is the best thing about them: he's imaginary, so there's no real
commitment
Are they someone you could bring home to the parents: he's always home with
me, my parents just don't know it
If you're single OR taken.....
Have you ever been in love: not yet
If so,with who: myself
How far have you gone: well, i kissed a guy on the cheek a few years ago as
part of a dare at camp, i sorta flirted with people, and that's about it...
been farther with myself than with any other person though ;)
How far are you willing to go: right now, just a peck is as far as i'll go
unless the goblin king (or brian the sex god) shows up
*~!~*Last Words*~!~*
hey, watch this!
What did you think of this survey: cyndi is a compulsive survey filler-outer
and i can't resist either! argh! there goes the evening...
i saved the life of a woodchuck today. i accidentally left the gate to the
garden open today (shame on me! luckily, nothing much is up except tomatoes
and peppers) and when my dad and i went to put the black plastic stuff down,
mr. woodchuck was in the corner, trying desperately to get out. my dad got
angry and went over and whacked the poor thing with the roll of plastic,
then told me to get his gun or a shovel or something so he could kill it. i
refused and told him to move out of the way so i could guide the woodchuck
out. poor thing, it was so scared and its face was scratched and bloody
where it had been desperately trying to break through the wire fence. i
tapped it gently with my roll of plastic, guiding it towards the exit, and
though it tried digging through the logs by the side in a mad panic, it
finally scampered out of the gate and off into the bushes. my dad was
pissed, but i'm glad i saved it. if i wasn't there, he would have trapped
the woodchuck in the garden and shot it. of course, i'm the animal-loving
wiccan who'd rather slice her arm open than kill a fly unless i'm desperate
for food. so i did something heroic today, though i won't leave the gate
open again in case my dad encounters the woodchuck again, this time with a
better weapon than a roll of plastic.
-ade
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Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 22:08:31 +1000
From: Brian Cooper <ByteMe@smartchat.net.au>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: Real Men
Koba wrote in #1638...
>was the wildebeest rampant or rabid?
The wildebeest may have been foaming at the mouth after I was done with
them, but it wasn't rabies, just a filthy load of my mule juice.
>and i too take offense- my ass isn't that hairy, you frog-stuffing
>spooge-towel.
Spooge-towel? Douche bag!
Jewel was right about the hairy arse thing in the next digest. You can't
even grow hair on your chest, so how do you expect to have hair on your
arse? And that goatee isn't real either, it's a merkin. Now I know that
people will say a merkin is a pubic wig, but considering where on your body
you wear it, the name is appropriate.
>oh yeah?? i wonder why i had to pay all those noise violation fines, then.
The noise of partners in your apartment come from the screams of
disappointment.
>i've got the shiniest 747 in the fleet.
Yeah, you polish it all day long.
I know you're the reason Tori decided to cover "Real Men". She only needed
to look at you for inspiration.
In #1639, Beth asked me why I asked about dreaming of waking up then
actually waking up. No reason really, I thought I'd start a new thread. I
don't have to time at the moment to describe my biggest dream/nightmare of
that type, but let me say it revolves around City Rail trains. They're my
daily nightmare.
Ade wrote:
>Subject: just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
Shouldn't that be spoogeful?
Brian
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