RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1645

RDT Right Now #1645

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:35:54 -0700
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1645 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o Re: RDT Right Now #1644 [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ] dudical [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ] I PASSED MY ART CLASS!! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] To pash or not to pash, that is the [ "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> ] all the way back home [ arija.weddle@yale.edu ] Neil in SLG, one year later [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ] Songs with rain [ =?iso-8859-1?Q?Maria_Am=E9lia_Doria ] Songs with rain (cont) [ =?iso-8859-1?Q?Maria_Am=E9lia_Doria ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On June 12th in 1994, concert reviews. In 1995, folks were discussing Trent Reznor's sexual orientation and some were freaking over a member's statement that Trent has AIDS. (While Trent has participated in several AIDS benefits and once said the song "Heresy" [on The Downward Spiral] was an exploration of "some of the paranoia I have as a sexually active person in the age of AIDS," to the best of my knowledge he does not have AIDS.) In 1997, a newspaper retraction confirming the "Farmer in the Dell" story as a hoax was posted. (The original AP news item was posted on May 21st in digest #392.) In 2000 someone revealed (in detail) that their current job was sending out spam mail, and there was quite a bit of discussion on analog vs. digital sound. [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On June 13th in 1992, that lucky Aussie bastard who saw/met Tori at the Shamrock, Rose & Thistle posted that he'd now met Neil Gaiman and had his autograph on his LE booklet to go along with Tori's. He went on to say: I asked him about the character Delirium being based on Tori and he said "look at it this way, I had already produced the first stories involving Delirium BEFORE I ever meet Tori". Fine, I say that blows the whole thing out of the water. "Ah, but, things might be changing now, what do you think..." he continues and then shows me a few first drafts of up coming Sandman issues. In 1994, what the heck is the "World Wide Web" and where do you find it? There were also some reviews of the Boston show (11th). In 1995, continuing "fave" lists and book recommendations. In 1999, Your Inner-Star Wars Character horoscope: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives/rdtrn/199906/msg00011.html#17 [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 02:09:04 +0000 From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #1644 a few days ago my cat brought in this newborn bunny, it was still alive and not really wounded so we named it trix and took care of it. we had to take it to a wildlife rehab place yesterday, but at least we helped it. it was so cuuuuuute, just the beginnings of hair, and its eyes were closed... i hope it survives... cyndi said: > rofl.. shoot.. well think about it.. if a DOG likes you that >much, imagine how much more a human male might! :D yeah, but the thing with human males is, they mask their lust for me by staring and saying "hey, a midget!" of course if they tried to jump my bones like the doggie did, i would probably end up severely wounding them the second they touched me. you see, not only is my elbow a magnificent and effective weapon, i'm usually carrying around some type of weapon (be it a fencing sword, a really heavy book, a sturdy plastic mechanical pencil, a pocketknife... you name it). but i wasn't about to dismember bruno, since he's usually a nice dog, he didn't know that rape and bestiality is illegal, i have a weakness for animals, and... he has teeth. brian said: >Maybe you should have had the shower after the dog humped your leg. So > >what sort of dog was it, a mastiff? no, he tried to hump my back (i was sitting down...), and he's a boxer. very big for a boxer too. and dogs are heavy creatures. he must have weighed around 150 pounds, and here i am 4 foot 8 and 130-135 pounds, a chubby little pipsqueak. *giggle* ah well... i'm amused. i put on "i will survive" and my dad is singing along even though he doesn't know the words. never a dull moment at my house... -ade *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* http://www.geocities.com/blupyglet http://www.livejournal.com/~agentfroot *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 02:12:48 +0000 From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: dudical heh my neighbor across the street is a toriphile too! she's a really neat lady, and i'd like to get to know her better (NO, not like that! jeesh!), but she has 3 kids under 4 years old, so she's got her hands full. but hey, she likes tori! good for her! i feel like such a grownup. i've been working in a real office for 3 days with real people doing real work. man oh man. i worked for a long time today, which means my dad's company owes me a nice fat paycheck. woohoo! -ade *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* http://www.geocities.com/blupyglet http://www.livejournal.com/~agentfroot *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:46:37 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: I PASSED MY ART CLASS!! I PASSED!! I PASSED!! I PASSSSSSSSSSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (my art class, that is.. the only one I was worried about..) okay.. moving on to anudda subject.. e. showed more songs having to do with rain.. *YAY!* :) Coops said: "What a way to waste a long weekend! More painting. Yes Cyndi, I'm still using blue." YAAAAAY!! dude scan your work in sometime if it's what I'm thinking (ya know.. artwork.. not wall painting)! Lavenda said: "Rain songs? Gees, that's gonna be one long list." longer than our list of self-love songs????? gosh.. Lavs then said: "Things have gone quiet. Must be June." Yeah but you can bet that I won't ever shut up (oh NO!)! even if it IS summer! :D that be all from me tonight! :D Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:47:27 +1000 From: "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> To: "Strange Little Arty Turners" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: To pash or not to pash, that is the question Coops typed: >Or is it a nightmare? What boring dreams you have. I wouldn't call dreaming Hey, I've had dreams about red and black cats, and one where I was Scully and then Mulder, then Scully again. And I never did tell about the "Weekend at Burnie's"-esque dream I had (in a nut shell, I was going out wiht these people who believed that one of their company was just out of it (she at least had just been shooting up), but she was well and truly dead. Which doesn't sound all that wierd, but there were clubs and pubs and a circus involved. Ok, still not really wierd, but very very dark). I had some interesting ones lately too, but I've got out of the habit of writing them down. Saw a rather twisted religious message today: Body piercing saved my life. Jesus did it 4 all of us! Picked up Stardust for $8 today. Just have to finish Priestess of Avalon, Lady of Sorrows and another book of the same series that somebody gave to me, first. And find room in the bookshelf. I'm going to have to have some sort of clean out before I hit Borders and Galaxy in a couple of weeks time. I've finished stitching a Tori bookmark (based on one of queen frostine of purplesque's 'dolls') (which will be revealed shortly), and I've just embarked on crocheting a scarf for Tiarna (and picked up a sizable cross-stitch pic of waves and horses that I'll do for bro and his wife, not sure when I'll do that). Can't help keeping myself busy. Oh, I've been meaning to mention... I've realised that I have in fact been to Steve Irwins (Croc Hunter) reptile park. Just goes to show what a fantabulous impression it made on me. But it would be near on 10 years ago (I suspect his parents were still running it), and it was in serious need of a paint job and more animals. All those times we drove past and thought 'that looks like a waste of money' were proved right. I dare say I'd get a shock if I went past it now. Give me the deer sanctuary any day. X Lavs (Lavenda 1, primary adjunct of dominatrix Glenn) ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ Who could ever say you're not simply wonderful - 'Merman', Tori Amos ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ http://www.freewebz.com/tiarna/start.html - Tiarna's Homepage http://www.freewebz.com/drifts/start.html - Drifts Get Deeper -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:54:37 -0400 From: arija.weddle@yale.edu To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: all the way back home saw ben folds last night at toad's place, new haven. AMAZING. i have seen three shows this year where the artist played solo (tori, ani, and ben folds). this one was by far the best. toad's is a pretty small venue - it's just a stage and a big dance floor, with some tables and chairs in the corner for the squares, and the 21 and over section is fenced off - literally, there's an 8 foot chain link fence separating the drinkers from the non - and everyone i've ever seen play there has commented on the "drinking jail." anyway, so it was small and crowded and intimate and a room full of middle class suburban white people, as the song goes, i guess. but the reason it was so good was his participation with the audience. i've seen shows at toad's where the performer hates the audience. for example, when i saw they might be giants there, they kept yelling at everyone to get back away from the stage, to stop singing. ben folds encouraged us to sing along - he taught us the harmony parts because he said he was making a live record with shows from this tour. so at moments he would stop playing and stand up and conduct us as we sang major and minor chords. halfway through the show his piano broke, so he got up and played "jackson cannery" on the guitar while his dudes fixed it. (and he's really damn good at guitar, too.) and then he just sat back down and went right ahead. he played for almost 2 hours, and played mostly old stuff, which is good, because i never got into his new album (though he did play the one song i'm crazy about on it, fred jones pt. 2). he played some of my favorites, like "missing the war" and "eddie walker" and "battle of who could care less" and he played "song for the dumped" as this slow ballad in a minor key (he said that he'd playing the song wrong for years; it was supposed to be minor because it was a sad song.) the divine comedy opened for him (which was actually just neil on solo acoustic guitar - what a BEAUTIFUL voice he has), and then he came out and dueted with ben on "mess", which was lovely. i left the place totally dehydrated and hoarse, but it was possibly the best concert experience i have ever had. (plus, he is so damn sexy.) arija -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:54:31 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org, precious-things@smoe.org, torinews@smoe.org Subject: Neil in SLG, one year later Neil's talking about Tori again, this time responding to a writer who criticized his review of SLG as he wrote it last year. Here's her remark, followed by his explanation (there's an interesting and juicy tidbit about her performance of "Sentimental Journey" in London in 1991): ==================================================================== Dear Neil - What delightful irony, fearful symmetry. Yesterday in your journal you questioned author Beryl Bainbridge's attempt at a time travel novel since she claims it will "not be a SF" novel even though she's using the generic ideas, possibly because she hasn't spent much time learning the body or craft of SF. Yet last year, you joyfully touted and wrote for the Tori Amos album Strange Little Girls, calling it a wonderful and original work (or something, don't remember the quote), even though it was no more than a standard issue covers album...and by your measure, one that plonked down rather dull ideas while being marketed as something more or other than a covers album. (something about singing from men's perspectives?) "It's not a covers album" rings the same to me as "It's not a SF novel." ===================================================================== 2) Strange Little Girls. I went looking for my own comments on this. Did a hasty site:neilgaiman.com hunt on Google. Can't find the "wonderful and original work" quote you refer to. The closest seems to be: >From July 2001: Oh, one thing. Several people at the signing asked about the stories I wrote for Tori's STRANGE LITTLE GIRLS album. To clarify, they won't be on the CD -- I think the plan is to take a sentence from each one and put it by the relevant photo for the CD, then to run the whole story in the Tour Booklet. (one person asked me if the new album was really any good, as if I'd probably just been trying to get people's hopes up to help sell a dog of an album, which rather puzzled me. So, for the record, yes I really like the album. I think it's the best thing Tori's done in a while, and it's, in my opinion, her most personal album for years. I would be astonished if there wasn't at least one track on there that every dyed in the wool Tori fan loved immediately, and equally as surprised if there wasn't at least one track that they disliked equally as strongly -- it's that sort of record). It's certainly how I felt, and it points out it wasn't an album that you're going to love all of. Was it a covers album? That's not something I ever wrote (or felt strongly about) about one way or another. Define a covers album as an album of songs by other people, then it certainly was. Define it as "singer does a bunch of songs that she likes" and it manifestly wasn't. Tori had a point of view from the first about what she wanted to do and say with "Strange Little Girls", spent a long time putting together songs by men she felt she could use to say other things with, mostly things about gender, and believed very strongly in everything she did with it, including creating the "girls" to sing the songs, the ones I wrote the very-short stories for. It let her say and sing a number of things that I don't think she could have done with her own songs at that point. And she learned a lot from it. I certainly think it was, perhaps contrarily, a much more personal album than, for example, "To Venus and Back". I tend to think of it, artistically, as an assemblage, or a collage: the photos are other by other people, but the shape they are assembled into and the patterns they make, are the point, and are her own. I've always enjoyed her interpretations of other people's songs in concert (I remember the whole of the plot for The Kindly Ones sorted itself out in 1991 at the Shaw Theatre in London during her version of "Sentimental Journey"), and I did not assume that Strange Little Girls was the pinnacle of her career, but that it was the CD equivalent of one of those songs. (I know that I get a completely different sort of joy from reading someone else's poem or story aloud as I do when I'm performing my own material.) Some people got it, some didn't. Your mileage, as they used to say, may vary. -- "This country has a deep fear and mistrust of strong, smart, accomplished, outspoken women unless they are sexy 22-year-olds killing vampires on television." -- Dennis Miller _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ music reviews + stories + poetry + photography + collage + Watchers livejournal + selkies + esoterica + links = http://echoes.devin.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:43:45 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Maria_Am=E9lia_Doria?= <madoria@mail.telepac.pt> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Songs with rain Cindy, I can't remember either that Amanda Marshall's song, but here's some of "rain songs" I remembered: Guns n' Roses - November Rain Sheryl Crow - Rain, Baby Rain (ha ha ha, sorry but it does sound funny) Travis - Why Does It Always Rain On me? Alanis Morissette - Ironic ("It's like rain on your wedding day") -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:24:32 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Maria_Am=E9lia_Doria?= <madoria@mail.telepac.pt> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Songs with rain (cont) Cindy, I think I've remembered that Amanda Marshall's song: Let It Rain (?), but here's some of "rain songs" I've remembered again: Guns n' Roses - November Rain Sheryl Crow - Rain, Baby Rain (ha ha ha, sorry but it does sound funny) Travis - Why Does It Always Rain On me? Alanis Morissette - Ironic ("It's like rain on your wedding day") Prince: Purple Rain Alice in Chains: Rain When I die (I can't remember the name...) - Have you Ever Seen the Rain Enya - A Day Without Rain Enya - Celtic Rain Dover - Rain of the Times David Byrne - Wind, Rain and Water Triumph - Tears in the Rain and, of course: Singing in the Rain!!! That's all I can remember and found for now! 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