RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1676

RDT Right Now #1676

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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:42:59 -0700
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1676 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o fuzzyyyyy!! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] complaints, rants, and a poem-tree [ burning leaves <jewella_deville@jun ] why am I here? [ Simon Booth <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> ] kicking companion [ "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> ] replies [ Simon Booth <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> ] Unidentified subject! [ "Anna -compgirl-" <compgirl8@hotmai ] Bunch o' replies [ Brian Cooper <ByteMe@smartchat.net. ] virgin megastore article [ guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> ] New pictures [ Erika & Alan <alewis246@comcast.net ] Tori Amos Video Collection - Little [ "Logan, Deadra" <deadra.logan@tcb.a ] birthday birthday!! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On July 22nd in 1993, an article about TV talent bookers (who book artists for shows like Leno and Letterman). In 1994, more on CD connection, a suggestion that the broken glass on the back of the UK CG CD single spells Tori's name, fan club defending itself, part 1 of 3-part interview from the Balt. Sun: TA: For the next record, it's really important that I take everything and do a whole other step again. I think that's what I always loved so much about Beatles records, was it was a constant new frontier. I don't know where we're going next, but I'm feeling pieces of it coming together, whereas `Little Earthquakes' was more of a diary and `Under the Pink' is more to me of an impressionist painting, this project is maybe a little bit of both and something completely different. So I don't know, but I do know that I need time to make it great, and I won't put anything out that I'm not really proud of. Also, a member remembers Tori playing American Pie in Berlin (where Tori first heard Kurt Cobain had died) (ie approx a month before the Dublin or Belfast shows). In 1995, more kids TV shows, the UTP video, music these days (95% of it sucks), books and movies that scared you when you were a kid, and an article about RAINN being short of funds. In 1999, a little bit of Monkey, more on list behaviour, and more JFK JR. [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On July 23rd in 1992, discussion started on the Crucify live CD box (with prints), which morphed into a discussion on the price of CDs (singles and albums) in the US, and the scarcity of CD singles outside of major cities. In 1993, is Anthony Horan (an Aussie list member) a blabbermouth?, and brief mentions of Aimee Mann and Jane Siberry. In 1994, part 2 of the Balt. Sun interview, and a reply to the fan club post. In 1995, good music, a plea for Tori to come back to Israel [still waiting to see how *that* pans out], and things that scared us. In 1996, lots of discussion about various angles on drugs, the Net causes less than 6 degrees of separation, repressed memories, the TWA plane crash, a parody of Blood Roses (titled Sears Hoses): sears hoses sears hoses in the back yard now now you got out the rocks from the soil in the yard as least when you mow now the rocks can not hurt you when flowers get ahold of your peat when your garden is neat sometimes they're nothing but weeds In 1998, one list member mentions getting called as a potential participant in MTV's Fanatic episode on Tori, an interview between Dave Matthews and Tori, questions and answers about meet and greets. In 1999, more on JFK Jr and things that make people mourn en masse, personality tests, explanation of what 'Monkey' is (Japanese cult show from about the 70's), disappointment in the Tori Fanatic episode, more discussion of appearance, best four tracks off each of Tori's albums, and sad songs. In 2001, someone finally answers properly what EWF stands for, comments on SLG (the song), and some Tori mondegreens. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Lavenda Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:43:34 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: fuzzyyyyy!! heyyyy people! :) Elisha said: "btw - is anyone gonna answer poor Cindy and tell her how to be a fuzzy ferret assistant? Help the girl out! She's cuter than hell, she'd make a great assistant!" well I'm not fuzzy though! lol.. and.. as you found out, I've been told.. :) My mom saw Minority Report and thought that it was *freaky*.. she didn't like it at all. e asked: "ps. speaking of disappointng finales... does anyone agree that Fight Club's could have been much much better?" well, yes and no.. no because I saw it before I read the book.. and it blew my mind so hard I haaaaaaaad to see it again!! oh I loooove that movie. and yes, because there was much more in the book than there was in the movie itself.. you have to read the book, dude!! Succubus Barbie is taking Ade with her and they're going to learn to write better.. hey you coulda taken lessons from ME! lol.. seriously.. have fun! :) Simon said in reply to my question about "who has BEEN to a show where a song got put onto TVAB?": "You know, I've always wondered what songs from which Plugged AT 35 tour were ultimately used for the live TVAB CD. I was at the d30-m2-AT35 show here in San Antonio, and it would be very interesting to see if anything from that show might have ended up on the CD." there was a webpage of the songs so far or something.. someone needs to give us that url again.. Simon then replied in response to my feeling of the TVAB version of Bells For Her: "I know what you're talking about. Hard to explain it, but the live versions of some of her songs really sound "otherwordly"." lol yeah it's SO difficult to explain but it works on me like.. it's almost physically draining, but then so are the first two songs on CD1 of TVAB! o_O when Concertina kicks in, I can almost feel myself going "PHEW!" and.. the same thing with some of the songs on Boys For Pele.. starting after Caught A Lite Sneeze.. up until after Hey Jupiter.. right when Way Down starts.. I feel sorta emotionally drained--and all I did was listen--and then it starts.. and I can just feel something in me go "WHEW!" and just.. sorta try to recover.. it's hard to explain.. best way I can is by remembering and paraphrasing what Michael Jackson (yes I know too much MJ but dude I was a freak for him for seven years, cut me some slack! lol) said in his autobiography about his Off The Wall album.. he said that "She's Out Of My Life" was VERY personal and emotionally draining and that when it was over, it was kinda hard on the emotions, and then just as the beginning of the next track began, it felt, as he put it, as if a door in that dark heavy room were opened and let all that heavy emotion out.. like a release.. an escape.. I feel the EXACT SAME WAY whenever Way Down comes on--ESPECIALLY due to Hey Jupiter.. can you figure what I'm saying out? lol I hope! Simon then asked: "about the movie "Mayor of Sunset Strip" you found out about- just how long has this movie been completed but not released? Sonny Bono died in 1998." well I read more info on it. it's an ongoing documentary starting sometime in the 60's.. and then going on into this or next year.. so I figure they're gonna use archive footage of the dead people. OH and Simon.. do you or anybody you know have that Trial By Jury episode on tape.. or do you know where I could get it online?? I wanna see it! :) Matt said in reply to my Two Towers question: "it's the second part of a little-known book called "the lord of the rings" by some fuddy-duddy old english professor from oxford called tolkien or something like that. apparently it's got some nice twee elves and dwarves in it - probably not worth bothering with." hey now, I saw LOTR 1! it was awesome. I'll go see LOTR 2 dang it! :) and on *THAT* note.. *MWAH!* *blows kisses* later! OH and one more thing.. the geocities url in my signature.. check it out! I updated it yesterday! Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:03:02 -0700 From: burning leaves <jewella_deville@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: complaints, rants, and a poem-tree aurgh. the opening frame to juno has a scroll bar where you choose which email account you want to open. for some reason, though i never bothered to find out what it was, my email address was on there twice, and my boyfriend's once. apparently, in some insomnia-driven-computer-cleaning in the wee hours of the morning, james (the boyfriend) decided he was just going to delete one of the names so that my email address only appeared once. little did he know that would actually delete my whole account from the hard drive. how he *didn't* know this is absolutely beyond me since he seems to know EVERYTHING about computers, but ah-well. he didn't mean to. alas, there went every email i've received in the last year, along with some pictures, poetry, my email address book, blah blah blah. AND - the last few RDT digests that i had planned on catching up on. i guess i COULD go and read them in the archives, but i'm simply too lazy! hey! my website looks COMPLETELY different than the last time i sent it to the list, so i shall send it again! http://www.geocities.com/below_the_waste all redesigned, lots of new art, new poetry, as well as a few new added pages. go look, go look! i will finally be getting back to work within the next week (not that any of you knew i *wasn't* working)... there has been a state hiring freeze throughout all of oregon, so after getting my CNA license, i was unable to get hired right back to the state hospital here in salem. finally, an approval for my hire has gone through, so i'm back in business. *sigh of relief* has anyone here heard of john forte? if not, you MUST check him out. beautiful, beautiful music. the album i recently purchased is called "i, john". i have also been listening to a lot of belle and sebastian (a topic i noticed on the list before all my email went bye-bye)... they've been a constant in my cd player for some years now, but i just recently got the album "if you're feeling sinister." it's great. "the miseducation of lauryn hill" has also been in heavy rotation, along with "songs of love and hate" by leonard cohen. long ago, on HBO, there used to be a show called "mr.show", mainly sketch comedy... it's where i first fell in love with david cross (decidedly my surrogate boyfriend). my boyfriend and i just got tickets to a live performance of mr. show in portland. i'm pumped! and it falls just a couple of weeks after our second anniversary, so it will be a good celebration! *sigh* there has been so much going on - good and bad - that my head has been kind of spinning, not knowing what to feel. my mother flew back to MN a couple of days ago after finding out that her mother is very sick. i wrote a poem about it -- _____________ mama has crawled down from the cupboards where she keeps her baptism her faith, her doubt to cry, to pace, to say goodbye. she's losing her mother. she weeps and weeps but my sadness doesn't come to claim understanding my sadness doesn't come. i'm mechanical. i make plane reservations i write her a list i make her eat and i clean her dishes but my tears aren't for myself or for the woman who instilled her fears installed her doubt broke her down with negligence. i can picture it now, the vision that will shake her, rattle her make her say goodbye every time she looks upon the once irish-red hair and transparent, milky skin now tired, rough, and exhausted with thoughts of the end _____________ it's not up on my website yet, i think it may need a little editing first, but i'm not sure what to do with it. well, i'm off to get some cleaning done. sorry for filling the list with non-tori related matter. with love and pasta, jewel. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:57:25 -0500 From: Simon Booth <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: why am I here? To dominate this list with brusque, nearly pointless emails like what I've been sending to rdtrn lately in order overwhelm everyone. hello! gabriela wrote: >I've had a series of extremely bad days now, and feeling disgustingly sorry >for myself had me absolutely fall in love with Rob Halford. ;) (yeah, i KNOW >he's unavailable ;)). Do you just listen to Halford's solo material or do you also to listen to pre '91 Judas Priest when he was still in the group? One of the first music videos I saw was their video for "You've Got Another Thing Coming" back in late AT 18. Not sure if any of you remember, but back then MTV actually ran real music videos, and good ones to boot! juan wrote: >has anyone mentioned Paranoid Android by radiohead? gee I wonder who they named that song after? ;) > *** Episode Two: Attack Of The Clowns digest *** That would either be the film "It" or a movie about John Gacy. Or even those coworkers Brian mentioned who get a little carried away with their makeup ;) cyndi wrote: > huh.. verily interesting.. :) What's shakin' with you, Simon? I >haven't heard much of a peep from you lately! just busy. Amazing how fast time goes by and before you know it, you're behind again. re: CD copying: > making copies of a CD >for different rooms of the house (and for the sake of preserving the >original too) precisely- and what about people who have those 50 or 100 CD capacity CD changers? Those are designed to be left loaded, like a jukebox. But would you really want to store your originals in the changer unit? >and.. the copy-protection thing with CDs just AIN'T gonna >cut it with me. :P I've heard that a lot of artists are opting a big wet, >fat NO on that one anyway. I hope the artists win- what's the point of copy protection that ruins the quality of their music? >ever heard music (a familiar >song that existed in the real--awake--world that is) in a dream and woke >up with that song stuck in your head? I have! that would explain the time when I dreamt about watching a Klingon metal band playing AC/DC covers ;) >OH and Simon btw.. whoever said that your ;) faces were annoying.. well, it was people here that I have a lot of respect for, so it only seemed fair to seriously think about what was said. >you >know what? they're only annoying in excess.. so like.. I personally think >a ;) should be occasionally replaced, here and there, with :D faces.. >don't stop using your smileys tho, dude! thanks :) welcome angel foodcake! :) jewel- sorry to hear about your cat :( *hugs* greg wrote: >Subject: Wheres My Bitch answer: she's hosting a bigoted radio show in Los Angeles! hoping gabriela comes back! Brian wrote: >In #1646, Simon wrote: >>the sound of air raid sirens is IMHO one of the most chilling things I've >>ever heard- that horrible "wailing" sound. > >Ain't that the truth. When I was staying in the heart of New Delhi, I woke >one morning to the sound of air raid sirens. That was a three change of >underwear event. I was staring at the skies out the hotel window. I did get >used to it however, as it seemed to be a cue for the local populace to go >to work. Those types of sirens seem to be in use for other purposes elsewhere as well, like areas in the US prone to tornados or other kinds of severe storms. Effective for getting people's attention, but still, no way around the fact that hearing that sound is going to make those within earshot wonder if it's only a storm warning. Interesting use of those sirens to tell people it's time to head to work. A large clock that sounds the appropriate number of bells would seem to be a better thing for that though. welcome maria :) chris wrote: > I personally don't think McVeigh is dead. Then Pinhead will come looking for him. Someone destined for hell escaping and all that. > The Government has already stated that the much publicized hearse that >drove away after the execution did NOT have his remains in it. In fact, >his remains were "scattered in an undisclosed location". Flushed down a toilet I hope. on the subject of unanswered questions about the Oklahoma City bombing: In the police sketches released right after the attack, one looked like McVeigh, but the other one definitely *wasn't* a sketch of Nichols. So was "John Doe #2" just some guy who happened to enter the shop at the same time McVeigh did, or did a third conspirator get away? Simon contact me at: AOL IM: PhoenyxxS MSN: phoenyxx ICQ: 155394538 Yahoo: phoenyxx2002 -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:26:24 +1000 From: "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> To: "Strange Little Arty Turners" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: kicking companion Cyndi commented on me potty training Tiarna. Well, we've basically succeeded. Occasionally she'll be too into her play to make it on time to get the underpants down, but I don't mind that as long as I don't have puddles to clean up. Had another ante-natal clinic check up today (actually the midwife said that recently potty trained kids can regress when a baby enters the family. Fingers crossed it doens't happen in this case). I'll be 28 weeks tomorrow, and in anyones books, that's into the third trimester. Time is flying by. I'm only just getting into cleaning out the spare room, we won't have the bed out of it until the weekend, and then we have to paint the wardrobe before we can move Tiarna into there. But Glenn is supposed to be working in Sydney the next two weeks, so who knows when the painting will get done, since I think I'll pass on it due to the room not being the best ventilation wise. I've never understood the appeal of Tom Cruise. For the most part I don't seem to follow the Hollywood trends. Simon typed: >You know, I've always wondered what songs from which Plugged AT 35 tour >were ultimately used for the live TVAB CD. I was at the d30-m2-AT35 show There is a website that if not located all of them, worked out the origin for most of the tracks. >the Cain toad. That SOB isn't Australian (though it's made itself right at home). Another bright idea of biological control that wasn't thought through properly. X Lavs (Lavenda 1, primary adjunct of dominatrix Glenn) ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ Who could ever say you're not simply wonderful - 'Merman', Tori Amos ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ http://www.freewebs.com/tiarna/start.html - Tiarna's Homepage http://www.freewebs.com/drifts/start.html - Drifts Get Deeper -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:05:00 -0500 From: Simon Booth <sbooth1@satx.rr.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: replies hello! beth- hope your friend is doing better *hug* tait wrote: >Is it wrong to find Eminem attractive? It's very, very wrong. Get help immediately! ;) welcome Josephine! :) from violet: > For instance, it is because of what > happened with Hobbes that the list software is set up to reject > messages over a certain size and with too much quoting; so it *wasn't* in response to me! ;) I'm still amazed that a stuffed toy tiger had net access! ;) dani wrote: >I'm just not stirred up by news that Tori's got a new album. Repent that heresy! > (even if I personally thought it blew big >time, as did pretty much all of SLG). your blasphemy knows no limits. repent before you cross the event horizon of damnation. lavs wrote: >Subject: He's got the whole world... in his pants.... (a real misheard lyric!) Kryle Castle sounds like an interesting plact to visit on Halloween. Of course to complete the torture display they'd need to have a mock-up of a dentist's office ;) re: your new dishwasher: do you and Glen argue about whether or not you're supposed to hand wash the dishes before you put them in the dishwasher? ;) >linda wrote: >Thank you, and goodnight. Eminem is unbelievably hot. especially when he goes to hell. >Subject: Hi, I'm Butt Slammer, nice to met you ;) reminds me of a running joke on an early 90s cable access TV show here in San Antonio. On the show there was a mock metal band called ButtHammer, with a lead vocalist named Ezel Fist. Beach where the bad guys from Stargate SG1 take over. The Ga'ould Coast. arija: >does anyone on this mailing list actually listen to tori? I do, but then I get chided for expressing my positive feelings about her music ;) bethany wrote: >Subject: gumdrops and saturdays these are a few of your favorite things :) >i've been consistently >disappointed by the majority of her work since >Choirgirl. You must have accidentally picked up parallel universe copies of TVAB and SLG. The ones I have are a redefinition of perfection and are a representation of the supernova brilliance that is Tori. from beth, about her trip to the bookstore: >Graham Hancock's "Fingerprints of the Gods," I've heard him interviews on Art Bell's radio program about his theories about the real age and construction of the pyramids in Egypt- basically he says that the pyramids and Sphinx are at least a few thousand years older than the officially accepted 4500 or so years. >, and a pictorial book on Supernatural phenomena, >hardbound, which not only has lots of interesting images and subjects, but >has the added benefit of looking Really Fucking Scary, thanks to the >huge upside-down silver pentagram on the (black, cloth) cover. Yeah that Microsoft logo is pretty scary. Same reason Motley Crue used in in 1983 for the "Shout at the Devil" cover. bit of trivia: Gates' first business partner was a guy named Anton LeVey. > I may also go to the UK in November. We'll see. :) lucky! :) brian wrote: >Subject: Home improvement not to be confused with the new US show starring Tom Ridge called Homeland Improvement. > >Well I finished painting the laundry. I used up the rest of the can of Ego >Moon and had to go out and buy some more to finish the job. Why is it paint >cans are always a litre too small? Be careful and check that paint can. don't confuse it with Eggo Moon- that's the color of frozen waffles. welcome back deadra the dancing girl :) about getting into radio: You might want to check out any public radio stations in your area. The commercial broadcasters are so corporate these days that it's all about money and ad sales, and hiring talented on-air and production people has really taken a secondary role. Here in San Antonio most of the radio stations are owned by one of two huge companies :( Simon contact me at: AOL IM: PhoenyxxS MSN: phoenyxx ICQ: 155394538 Yahoo: phoenyxx2002 -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:36:48 +0000 From: "Anna -compgirl-" <compgirl8@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Unidentified subject! Cyndi said: ".. I play this game Dope Wars.. (fun game.. really fun. :)) and in my head I'll be thinking like "okay I bet Honest Harry throws me through a window now." and sure enough, HE DOES! does that count? it happens *FREQUENTLY* to me especially when I play that game." Goodness. I LOVE that game. I'm convinced I could make millions being a drug dealer. I am not sure about pyschic ability during the game...but i know it's fun game, really good if you are looking for a procrastination toy. So as a weekend job I'm a river guide. It's a pretty fun job and quite amusing. Sometimes people are just not water people. Two canoes flipped and swamped yesterday, one right after the other on the same rock...now don't you think if you saw the canoe in front of you flip and swamp that you would make an effort to steer around the rock so their fate did not become yours? People and belongings everywhere...bottles and paddles floating downstream...it was a mess. Must try to get some *work* done...mondays suck. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:18:46 +1000 From: Brian Cooper <ByteMe@smartchat.net.au> To: Really Deep Thrusts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Bunch o' replies In #1672, asked Simon: >Are funnel-web spiders the really nasty ones I've heard about? Yes. Thankfully I don't see many of them where I live now, but the area I grew up in was literally crawling with them. they were prevalent wherever there was water in people's gardens, like fountains and swimming pools. They can survive underwater for a week, so it's not a good idea to pick up something black from the bottom of a pool with your hands. Matt said: >i will be reading more (Charles) bukowski before long, i'm sure of that. Enjoy. He's bizarre. And if you're ever in Boston, make sure to check out Bukowski's Bar. In #1673, Megan wrote: >Why is it that people always think of guns before roses? I mean, there is >an equally possible chance that the nice guitar guy had a dozen long-stem >roses packed in his case, rather than an uzi. Some people think of Guns aNd Roses. I must point out that roses are more likely than an Uzi here considering our gun laws. But when you see a dozen couriers turn up in a day with bouquets, you'd wonder why someone would go to all that trouble to hide them. Besides a guitar, probably the most obvious thing to put in a guitar case is a gun. I do however wish they'd have the bubble making machine in there that you suggested. #1674, Simon > >"No! Not the Craw! The Craw!!!" guess that quote. > >what was that from? Get Smart! In #1675, Elisha caught my eye with her post: >Subject: arab strap Which contained the line from someone else: > >"i just bought "the boy with the arab strap" and it's really growing on me" You don't know how hard I'm laughing over this. >I get to watch Akira tonight and throw back some woodchucks with my best >friend... nothing like that to make a day feel complete! Lish likes a woody with a friend. heh, heh-heh, heh Bethany: >Subject: i got a big dick Do you now? >cookbooks? Nigella Lawson, baby! > >She is SO hot. *drool* Forget the food she makes, now there is a real woman. Simon again: >ever heard of the "doomsday clock" logo used by a group of nuclear >scientists? Of course. I used to have a poster of it. The world was the clock face and the hands were two ICMBs. For those bored with the topic, it's all Napster debate to the end of this post. I have noted the replies on this subject by Megan, Cyndi and Simon on this subject, but they raise things I've already covered and if not, Beth's post will clear up the rest. In #1671, Beth wrote: >My understanding is that, at least in the US, it is completely legal >to record music you own for personal use It may be, it may not be. Any good lawyers around here? Not you Koba. :-p My understanding of it, here at least was that it's illegal to copy albums, but the authorities turn a blind eye to it, but they do get interested when music is pirated. But really, I'm yet to see a legal notice on a CD that says you can copy it for personal use, so we have to take it no copying is allowed. >But that's what I'm asking: when does it become 'theft?' The moment you >download something? Yes. You're taking something you don't own and don't have the rights to. Isn't that theft? >What if you wind up buying it after hearing and liking it? Is it theft then? If you bought it and then listened to it, no. Downloading it and then buying it doesn't change the fact. >How can you make it possible for people to copy CDs they have purchased >-- which it is their legal right to do -- but not possible for people to >copy and distribute music? We still haven't determined that people have the right to copy CDs they have purchased. But when you distribute the music, you are giving away something that you don't legally own. >And would it be ethical to take away the rights of consumers in order to >punish those who won't put money out for the music they're listening to? What about the rights of the record companies who own the material and the rights of the artists to receive royalties? >I never would have bought CDs in Australia. They seemed astronomically >expensive, even after taking the exchange rate into account. I think the >only Australian CD I got when I was there was the "God" single. But they are not astronomically expensive. Sure, they may be to a college student with no job, but considering CDs will play for years, even decades if you look after them, they are well worth it. Try doing that to vinyl for years and it's unplayable. Again, if you factor in inflation, you'll probably find that albums are cheaper now than they ever were. The old chestnut of "a CD only takes a dollar to manufacture" doesn't hold much water either. Most of the cost is taken up by the distribution chain, the record company and finally the poor artist. That's why it is cheaper to buy CDs on-line: you cut out a couple of layers of distribution. Compare it to computer games. Let's say they cost a couple more dollars to make because you get a nice booklet with it and an oversized box. It may have cost the same as an album to make, may have taken as long to produce, but costs 4 or 5 times as much as a CD. You can probably add once you've played it through once or twice, you'll never play it again. Where's the value in that? Why is software so grossly expensive? Pirating. >Sure, but there's a counter-example. Let's say I read about an obscure >band in a magazine, and want to hear more from them. I go to amazon, but >the sound quality of the samples are disastrous. I don't know anyone who >listens to this band, so I can't borrow a copy of the album to see if I >like it. What then? If this is a small, indie band, they would hope for me >to buy their music -- but I probably won't take the risk, as CDs are >expensive. And what if you did go out and buy the CD but didn't like it? The artist gets their royalty and will be thankful. If the band is obscure, they will probably stay that way if they are no good. If they don't suck, over time you will hear about them which will give you more impetus to buy their album. Sure, you might miss the odd good band if you never get a taste of their music, but chances are you'll miss a lot of bad ones. It's not an imperative in life to know every band. >While I agree that making mp3s is illegal, and it is within artists' >copyright to protect themselves from that kind of duplication and >distribution of their work, the amount of financial damage a few teenagers >with their computers (as you said yourself, the number of people >downloading these things is likely very small) can do to a big-name artist >is miniscule. If we start with a figure of 1 billion CD buyers using my example, the end result of my equation you still have 100,000 people not paying a cent for new music. That's a lot of people to me. What about all the ones that occasionally buy albums of music they have downloaded? You're average downloader is between 14 and 24, so they don't have much money to splash around, but that demographic was the largest consumer of new music. As I always say, I couldn't give a fat rats about the record companies, but it is hurting the artist. I'll tie this in with the cost of CDs. It was something I hinted at in my previous post on this subject but nobody picked up. The prices of CDs in the US went up at the same time as all the record company mergers. Again, it is simple economics when you remove competition from a market prices will go up. They are still trying to come to grips with the fallout from those mergers, so they are tightening their belts. The rise of Napster only made them more paranoid, so it's only natural that would be factored into pricing as well. Again, it is the minority that fuck it up for everyone. I'm actually really disappointed by all the replies made on this subject. People have only concentrated on their "rights", of which they have none. The same self-serving arguments are put forward by everyone to justify what is an illegal practise. There is no justification. End of story. What you never hear discussed is options. If people can't get it for free, they don't care about anything else. I really hoped people would comment on the alternatives I raised in my initial post in digest #1665, which cover every point people have made since about their "rights". What does Janis Ian really want from her article on http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html which started all this? It's not about Napster. It's about the right to do with as she pleases with the material she created which she doesn't own. That's one thing I was really hoping would get discussed. Again, let me make it clear I am not attacking people on this subject, just the issues. Matt, if you've got anything constructive to add to this whole thread, be my guest. Brian -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:37:01 -0400 From: guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: virgin megastore article thanks to gildedstar who noticed this: <URL: http://www.virginmegamagazine.com/default.asp?aid=8B0 > Tori Amos Finds Her Voice Again July 19, 2002 It appears as though Tori Amos has gone from living amongst the fairies to reinterpreting Eminem songs, to at last, getting down to what she does best write and record her own poignant material. The thoroughly modern piano banging chanteuse (who many a young female singer-songwriter tries unsuccessfully to emulate) is slated to release her next studio album, Scarlet's Walk, in October on Epic Records. The album was recorded in one of the most spiritual places in the western world, Cornwall, England the area where King Arthur and The Knights of the Round Table roamed. Amos self-produced the album which brought her together with longtime collaborators drummer Matt Chamberlain (Bowie, Fiona Apple) and bassist Jon Evans. A US tour will shortly follow the album's release, with international dates to follow. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:03:23 -0400 From: Erika & Alan <alewis246@comcast.net> To: Trevor Washington <chicago272@hotmail.com>, Donna Ruscher <dmrusch@attglobal.net>, RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>, Melvyn D Lewis <pamelam@amserve.net>, La La <lala_pet@yahoo.com>, Judith Johnson <JJohnson@pdgelectric.com>, Stephen Hadden <HaddenS@doi.state.fl.us>, Henry-- Graf <HenPen@webtv.net>, Antonacopoulos Glenn <Antonacopoulos_Glenn@prc.com>, mom and dad <melvynj@msn.com>, Wendy and Carl <wendalynn@msn.com> Subject: New pictures Just a few, but he's so cute. 5 months old and sitting up on his own! http://mywebpages.comcast.net/alewis246 in the july 22 folder. Be Well Erika, Alan, and the little man :) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:18:29 -0500 From: "Logan, Deadra" <deadra.logan@tcb.aecom.com> To: Tori List <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Tori Amos Video Collection - Little Earthquakes I had ordered the Tori Amos Collection Video off of ebay a couple of weeks ago and got the tape in the mail this weekend. I had never seen some of the videos. I LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT!!! I had never seen the video for china before. I am so excited! I've watched it 3 times already. I am going to a Tori Amos Meetup tomorrow to meet some other toriphiles in the area. Should be cool. Simon said: Dogs and cats do pick up on when someone is depressed or not feeling well. When I was living with my parents, and it happens nowadays for that matter when I'm there to visit, if I've been in a bad mood one of the dogs will come over to me wanting to play :) I totally noticed that last night. I woke up last night with the worst migraine and somehow Homer (my cat) knew and started meowing and rubbing up against my leg and looking at me. It was so sweet. He was trying to make me feel better. Lavs mentioned trying to potty-train Tiarna - Good Luck! I've heard girls are much easier. My sister is trying to train my nephew right now. They've been working at it for a couple of months. He's fine with going pee in the potty but it's still hard to get him to go poop. He'll hold it because he doesn't want to stop playing and go to the potty. Yesterday, he went in his pants and tried to get it into the toilet without my sister finding out. He got it all over the place! All on the cabinets, the floor, and the toilet. The minute she found it, Cody started crying and she had to clean it all up. It's times like that I'm glad I don't have kids yet. That's all from me. Dancing Girl -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:30:21 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: birthday birthday!! happy birthday Estraven! have a great one! :) Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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