RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1678

RDT Right Now #1678

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:46:02 -0700
Subject: RDT Right Now #1678
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1678 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o birthday! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] I Guess Some Laws Are Better Than Ot [ Brad Shultz <springhaze@comcast.net ] And... stop. Now you can eat. [ "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> ] over here, over there, it's the same [ Matt Smith <M.S.Smith-01@student.lb ] dirty martini? dirty bastard. [ "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com> ] things and such [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] Lies and mp3's [ Chris <cmeyers@oasis.novia.net> ] Oh GROSSSSS..sick... [ Chris <cmeyers@oasis.novia.net> ] BURN CD BURN!!! [ Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodig ] I was here [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ] birthday [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On July 25th in 1994, interps of the PTM video, Tori MPEG's without audio, concert reviews, a Tori interview from Jam magazine is posted, people scoffing at requests about where to find the Baltimore single. In 1995, music in general (from the 95%, funny music and Alanis threads), a report that the Bee Sides folio will be printed and in stores around August (with art contributions from then-regular list member Pauline Stuckey), continuing with the Al Stewart interview thread, Tori is attractive, first music loves, an anagram short story of Under The Pink: Ned was standing at the street, holding up a sign into the air which said: HUNK, NEED TRIP to a Tori Amos concert! A sports-car of a TREND PINK HUE stopped beside him. He heard a voice inside the car shout at him "get in, you DRUNK TEEN HIP". HE TURNED PINK, but got in anyway. The woman in the car had TUNED HER PINK cabriolet to maximum velocity and off they went like a bullet. Also, a member quoted a "hymn" Tori sang in Ames, Iowa that year (to the tune of "O Come All Ye Faithful"?) Oh Jim Morrison is so hot that I forgot all the things they taught me in that Sunday School. In 1997, Lillith Fair (people who met up there, people who will be going, the type of artists who are invovled). In 1998, another case of subscriber list duplication, a bit of talk about the shows (who's going when, selling tickets and reviews), and a Tori question on Jeopardy. In 1999, more comments on Fanatic, someone a little frantic that Steve Burns from Blue's Clue's may be dead (this was just a nasty Net rumour run amok), more on people reacting to deaths of notable people, and a suggestion that Tori cover 'Chocolate Jesus' by Tom Waits. In 2000, appearance, a report someone posted on the Dent about spotting Tori and that she's about 7 1/2 months pregnant (this one actually turned out to be for real), quite a bit of negative reaction to a post mentioning homosexuality. In 2001, downloading the new songs, and getting a warped perception of songs from mp3's. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Lavenda Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:50:01 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: birthday! happy birthday Jessie!! :) Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:01:06 -0500 From: Brad Shultz <springhaze@comcast.net> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: I Guess Some Laws Are Better Than Others Oh well, I have been silent too long. RDT History in 1676 quoted Tori explaining her third album as referencing the Beatles. I have always thought and said to a few peeps that BFP was her "White Album". That quote kinda confirmed it. The Berlin concert is recorded in a boot called "The Last Temptation of Tori". It is a good one. Nice Toristories on it. "I guess Jesus is at a Nirvana concert right now." I have done some Napster and post Napster downloading and I believe the end result was positive record sales for the companies and artists from me. Sometimes I reflect on the past and then get up and search to see if a former fav song is on line. I often find them. I went out and bought Funkadellic's "Maggot Brain" after I found it on line. Eddie Hazel was a guitarist extraordiaire. I would have never bought that had I not found it on Napster. I wonder if Brian is as gung ho on enforcing drinking and drug laws as he is on enforcing the copying cd laws? My garden is great. Baskets of goodies are being brought to my coworkers. Post more Simon. I always love to read brusque, pointless emails. They give my coworkers a good laugh. I think Koba is a great lawyer. When the chips are down, he could strike up a marching band and distract the jury. Sort of like when my cousin vinnie put vava voom on the stand. Man is she ever in my minds eye as being the hottiest ever in that movie. Out. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:57:37 +1000 From: "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> To: "Strange Little Arty Turners" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: And... stop. Now you can eat. Cyndi asked: >Hey, are you gonna bring a laptop along when you go into labor with this >baby? *grin* you can't leave us out, ya know! ;) Frell! The Oztorians want webcam and now you guys want blow by blow messages??? If it's anything like last time a very detailed birth story will be posted a few days after the birth (btw, Tiarna's birthstory can be found in the archive section of her website), and that will just have to do you. :) Yay, Dadoo dropped in! Keep posting Daniel! Did a glucose tolerance test today. I understand they're standard procedure in the States, but here you only seem to do one if you are deemed 'at risk'. I did mine as part of a research study. I feel like crap now. I'd heard the drink tasted horrid, so I sculled the first cup of it, so the nurse told me to sip the next cup or I might make myself feel sick. Then it did taste horrid. And I did feel a little nauseous. Now I'm just very tired and headachey. Blah. I took along 'The Lady of the Sorrows' to read and hopefully distract me from my grumbling tummy (you have to fast for about 12 hours beforehand. Then they draw blood 3 times!), but spent most of the time talking to the other woman who was doing the test and the nurse. So there I was thinking I'd all but get my book finished, but oh well. It reached a kind of a dull spot with a chapter following the Pied Piper of Hamlyn story (only dull because it's something I already know, I'm just wondering how it's going to fit into the whole story), so I didn't mind too much. Mmmm, and Andromeda is coming to Fox8. I am a happy girl. Hmm. Spell Checker wants to change 'Cyndi' to 'cyanide'. heeheehee X Lavs (Lavenda 1, primary adjunct of dominatrix Glenn) ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ Who could ever say you're not simply wonderful - 'Merman', Tori Amos ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ http://www.freewebs.com/tiarna/start.html - Tiarna's Homepage http://www.freewebs.com/drifts/start.html - Drifts Get Deeper -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:34:35 +0100 (BST) From: Matt Smith <M.S.Smith-01@student.lboro.ac.uk> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: over here, over there, it's the same everywhere hi there everybody! </dr. nick> cyndi and simon talked about cd multichangers: "Simon then said in reply to my burn copies for different rooms of houses thing: "precisely- and what about people who have those 50 or 100 CD capacity CD changers? Those are designed to be left loaded, like a jukebox. But would you really want to store your originals in the changer unit?" exactly! you don't want the original to get damaged in ANY WAY!" once upon a time there was a thing called "vinyl" which was really fragile, it would shatter if you dropped it, warp if you left it in the sun, scratch if you mistreated it and other such nasty things as that. but people looked after it; in a way, i think tending to your vinyl collection was a good thing about owning music - its fragility made it even more valuable to you. now we have cds, which are to vinyl what steel rope is to spider web - virtually indestructible. and yet we're scared to play them in modern, sanitised cd players because we think they might get damaged? now i have never made an mp3 or recorded music to a cdr, but it seems to me like there must be some loss of quality during the "ripping" and "burning". are we honestly saying that we prefer to listen to our music at a reduced quality level rather than taking a virtually non-existent risk that our original cd might somehow get damaged? on a different note, somebody (sorry, can't remember who) asked the other day about a band called arab strap. yes, there is such a band - melancholic glaswegians on the chemikal underground label. i don't know anything much about them except that their stuff is supposed to be pretty challenging - a review on amazon.co.uk said they were the only British band since Joy Division to make truly depressing music. what i have to ask - and this be an example of my extremely naive and sheltered life - is this: what the heck is an "arab strap"? that's all for now, matt ---------- "Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne conna�t point." Blaise Pascal, "Pens�es" -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:04:14 -0400 From: "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com> To: "Dipfucks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: dirty martini? dirty bastard. ooh, i wanted to ask...i think it was e that said he hated the end of Fight Club...just wanted to ask why. I think it's a brilliant ending, made all the better by that Pixies song. hey, did anyone see the season premiere of Sex and the City? thoughts? I wish I could throw a martini in a man's face with impunity, but alas, I'm not that hardcore. Beer, maybe, but not a martini. also, i tried to download the six new songs, but my 56k just couldn't handle it. so i guess i'll just wait for the album to come out. Dani - something similar happened to me with my disc player, which forunately was only a six disc changer. actually, it happened to be several times, because i am too stupid to learn from my mistakes. i had to keep taking off the back and using various implements to push them back into place. erg. -bethany _______________________________________________________________ a journal : http://hejira.u-town.com the centralia project : http://centralia.u-town.com "Why keep a journal? To stop time. To make a point about the pointlessness of it all. To have company. To be remembered. For these is so much to be recalled, with no one to do the recalling." (Ned Rorem) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 04:13:42 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: things and such hey everybody! forgive me if this post from me ends up being really short. it's 4AM and I'm reading all this without my contacts on cuz I'm SUPPOSED to be in BED, but eh what the hey. Lavs gave us the url for the live TVAB track sources. THANK YOU! :) Matt said: "if someone makes you a new hat or clears out an infestation of cockroaches from your kitchen, you repay them for their work. likewise if someone creates a musical work, you have an obligation to them if you want to enjoy it - unless they choose to share it with you free of charge, of course." very good point. the Indigo Girls once said, tho, "we don't mind if you get our songs off of the web as long as you come to our shows" etc.. *raises eyebrow* Daniel replied to my babble referring to Bells For Her: "...The TVAB version is so haunting, almost hypnotic; it has a sort of CALS credo as regards the recurrence of rhythm and sound patterns, to me...." yeah! that's EXACTLY it with the TVAB version! it's haunting! and it sends chills straight up my back and makes me get chill bumps all over when I listen to it.. speaking of BFH.. I downloaded this remix (I think it's fanmade) of it.. this trip hop remix.. it's AWESOME. Oh and Daniel: check out Cyndi Lauper's song "I Drove All Night"... one of my all time favorite songs.. I love it. :) As for dulcimers etc.. you should be able to search and find something about that on the web.. lessons AND how to build them.. :) okay g'night everybody! *blows kisses* Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:15:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris <cmeyers@oasis.novia.net> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Lies and mp3's Say what you will, but I refuse to believe that if I hear it on the radio I'm a good person, but if someone sends me an mp3 and I accept it and listen to it, that I'm a bad person and Tori would scratch my eyes out. Lets mention that it was a mix-tape that I was given with ILLEGALLY copied Tori songs that prompted me to uy my first 2 tori albums 8 years ago. Since then I've bought every single and album I've seen (even ones with different mixes or covers) And while we are ths topic of illegal... It *is* legal o copy a cd you own. This was ruled in court and since it didn't make a big difference the record companies decided not to pursue it further (This siwhat I understand anyway). Onto different but still illegal things...lied about anyway... The lie I like the most is that illegal activities drive prices up. I'm not pro-theft etc, but lies are still lies. Micosoft tried to say for years that the reason it had to sell windows for so much money was that so many billions of users were pirating it. Then the (supposedly) un-pirateable XP came out and...well that's strange...NO REDUCTION in price. Tommorow someone shoplifts a tori cd from best buy (If you shoplift tori then you're a bad person with good taste so I forgive you). This goes on ever week for the next year. Meanwhile store "B" never gets a single shoplifter. Does anyone seriously believe that best buy isn't going to continue to put its prices lower than store "b" so that it doesn't lose business? Geico has a case of serious insurance fraud. Do you think next year it will say "We could save you money on car insurance but we took a loss so now we aren't going to"? perhaps I'm alonebut I have this belief that supply and demand drives prices and that crim is just a fact of life that merchantsmust deal with. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:31:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris <cmeyers@oasis.novia.net> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Oh GROSSSSS..sick... October 29th???? F*cking weak.... My ex fiancee who said Tori was "A blasphemous slut" (One of several reasons she's my ex fiancee) has her birthday on that day.... This is wrong on so many levels... I don't suppose *I* have any pull on the release date though:):) If I do, can't we go for a cliche an have it on halloween like decent folk? October is good...it's the day that p*sses me off... I'll go a step further...October is perfect...but not that day... Pardon me while I go get some tums... Oh..btw..Cyndi...I agree with your commends on precious things...but I always applied that to "Honey" as well... -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:55:54 -0500 From: Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodigy.net.mx> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: BURN CD BURN!!! I have a firm standing point on this one: personal copying should be allowed. And by personal I do not only mean making a copy of your own cd's and then keeping those secretly stashed as well. To this I would include every single mix tape you make as presents, or backups to carry along everywhere. Surely the record companies knew, long long time ago when KCT tapes were invented, that not every single tape would be used to record original work. It was obvious that people were transferring their old albums into tapes, or making mixes out of them. It's a great media to do it, and there's nothing more satisfying than making up a mix tape and counting the seconds so the song doesnt cut at the end of the tape and all that wonderful obsessive stuff. Surely the record companies know by now that CD-R's are not being used to backup software or make a single backup copy of an albun ( just in case, you know? ) solely. If they know this, then their only solution would be to stop all manufacture of blank cd's and respective disc burners. One thing that needs to be thought about is the fragility of our record media, and the concept of "record" itself. recording media needs to be easily manufactured and cheap, so massive amounts of it can be created in short times. It's the only way to make a business out of it. However, this causes the media ( in this case cd's, but it applies to tapes, vinyl albums, midi components, videotapes, dvd's, etc etc etc ) to be very fragile and disposable. This weakness is easily solved with copies, especially digital copies. My compulsive buying rants ( everyone has them ) are mainly for cd's. many of these, along the years, have become scratched beyond repair, or got broken, or a little too much heat applied to them, or what not. When that happens, you feel so duped, because you've paid the record company ( not the artist ) a ridiculous amount of money ( comparing manufacturing prices with retail price ) for something that didnt even stand a night in someone else's stereo. That just pisses me off, really. Is it fair that the products that we willingly buy from these humongous companies are so flawed and lacking any warranty?? I mean, the money tht we give to them si supposedly ever lasting, it just changes hands and still the companies get larger and larger, richer and richer. We, on the other hand, end up listening to less and less music because of this relationship. I can't afford the amount of music I could years ago. Back then, I could open the latest NME or Spin and minutes later buy a cd by a guy I've never heard of and just liked the printed ad on the magazine. Now, I really have to be picky about the cds I buy, and furthermore, I have to take a lot more care of the cds I actually own. Screw Warner if they dont want me to copy my NIN Still CD for protection. I payed nearly 40 bucks for that cd... how much was it to produce it?? Maybe 9 cents, something like that. Do we realise the unfair, not to mention servile relationship the companies want us to have with them? I really say fuck them. I payed for the music, I payed for the cd burner, I payed for the blank cd. I am going to make myself the amount of copies I like, and hell, maybe even make a mix tape for my girlfriend's birthday. I bet that I'd never go over the price I paid making copies. What are we paying for then? Are we really maintaining the artists way of life by sticking to the rules? Will Natashya have something to eat if we make a couple of copies of Tori cd's? Hell no. Normally royalties paid to the artist throught record sales amount to nothing over their initial contract with the record company. For instance, REM and Pearl Jam have ver the years encouraged fans to make copies of the cds they buy. They do this because their income is not affected by this. REM is a good example because they are the band with the best record deal ever. When they joined Warner, each one of the members was paid a ridiculous amount of 20 million. Does Michael Stipe moan and whine about a few copies being made of the records you are still buying? I'd kick him in the nuts if he did. That's why only assholes like Metallica or Puff Daddy complain about mp3 and burnt cds. Thats why I dont buy their records in the first place: no fucking humanism, no good music. We are paying for distribution costs, retail overpricing, laziness to buy it from more direct mediums. We are mainly paying for being lazy fuckers. We just want to go to the store, pick the cd from the rack, pay at the counter, hell, sometimes we dont even look for it, we just ask the guy ( who knows a lot less than you ) for it. I am willing to keep paying this price, as long as I'm legally left alone by these porsche driving execs who just want a couple more millions from a product they didn't even make, but just exploited for their own benefit. In that sense, I feel much more guilty about copying an Ani DiFranco cd than a Tori album. I'm sure they'd both agree with me. And what then? I'm still going to buy cd's. I cant explain the thrill I get when I get a new cd from the store and have to sit down in the nearest bench and look at the booklet art, the amount of care, or carelesness that went into making that record. I'll still blow my mind blasting it on my car changer, and then on my home stereo. And then I'll sip some great coffee and enjoy while a copy is burnt on my computer, the original remaining in my shelf, the copy getting heavy duty action, as all music should be treated. Being passionate about music involves its down to earth distribution. Making copies and taking music to parties and just enjoying it everywhere should be the rights we pay for. After all, a cd is just a plastic circle, and mp3s are just a bunch of 1's and 0's making up musical data. Music itself cannot be copied, it will always be original and by force, the creation of an individual or band whose only purpose was to create something beautiful for the rest of us mortal non-musical beings to hear and love. Why the fuck would we give away our hard earned money for something souless and consequently useless. I bet in some years the labels on albums will say: "Animic or sentimental reactions to this product are prohibited by law" I'm not playing that game. Let the roof burn as well. e. "People used to make records As in a record of an event The event of people Playing music in a room Now everything is cross- marketing It's about sunglasses and shoes Or guns or drugs You choose. We got it rehashed We got it half assed We're digging up all the graves And we're spitting on the past And we can choose between the colors Of the lipstick of the whores Cuz we know the difference Between the font of twenty percent more And the font of teriyaki You tell me How does it make you feel? You tell me what's real." Ani DiFranco- Fuel. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:59:31 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: I was here Daniel wrote: > Went to See your website and Love it. I LOVEEEEEEE the selkies section. > What Can I do, I am a Sucker for Faeries and Celtic folk. Thank you. :) I always love it when people take the time to look through my site. I've put up things that I love, and hope others are interested in. The selkies page gets *tons* of hits. It amazes me. > Please, tell me what are you reading becuase I love reading about > Mythology, Magic, and Faeries, I feel such a freak, becuase I do not know > anyone who does LOL. Sure you do. You're on a list full of people who like reading about these things (except Koba. *smirk*). Currently I am reading "Psychic Self-Protection" by Dion Fortune, which I wouldn't particularly recommend to the faint-hearted or disinterested. I think next up will be "The Televisionary Oracle." Also - I'm glad you liked my interview, but I never got to meet Cyndi Lauper. We talked on the phone. It was great; like talking to an old friend. Beth -- "This country has a deep fear and mistrust of strong, smart, accomplished, outspoken women unless they are sexy 22-year-olds killing vampires on television." -- Dennis Miller _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ music reviews + stories + poetry + photography + collage + Watchers livejournal + selkies + esoterica + links = http://echoes.devin.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:11:46 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: birthday happy birthday, Katie! :) Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. 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