RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1682

RDT Right Now #1682

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:57:24 -0700
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1682 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o I'm comin' out. [ Rebecca Brown Gregory <browngregory ] HAPPY BIRTHDAY! [ Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodig ] planet earth is blue and there's not [ Matt Smith <M.S.Smith-01@student.lb ] birthdays! [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ] damnation [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] the unbearable lightness of disserta [ Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodig ] re: self-publishing artists [ NuttyBakerGirl <rokzane@dimensional ] ooops [ NuttyBakerGirl <rokzane@dimensional ] here i am. [ Kerri R Klein <kklein21@student.sca ] toriamos.com update [ guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On July 29th in 1992, the second part of the Keyboard interview: TORI: Oh, I think when I compose too. (Laughs) But a good song speaks first to your soul, your heart, and when your heart isn't in the composing and you only work with your brain, then what comes out of it is dead and cold. To compose from the heart you have to give it the chance to open up and react. When you do that, then the piano answers back. That's a dialogue you can't force. You need time, and at the moment I wish I had a few months I could use for that. In 1993, discussion began on Tori food quotes from lyrics and interviews (the idea being these are potential menu items for Torifest), and the b-sides tape. In 1994, a member posts that her two-year-old boy sings along to Tori, tour date changes and future single updates, four Tori articles. One quotes Tori saying: "I refused to watch TV or listen to radio during the whole making of that record because I couldn't afford to be influenced," she explained. "I usually have an inpouring (of creative stimuli) while I'm on the road. But when I start to write and create, then I close the door because I don't want to start going, `Oh, let's change the whole structure of this because this is kind of cool.' " In 1995, Pearl Jam, Alanis, suicide, and abortion (with requests to change the subject). In 1997, annoyance that the version of SATY on the 99x RAINN songs release wasn't her Live X live redcording of it, and how Tori's music was used in Great Expectations and Higher Learning. In 2000, decompressing after recent drama. [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] On July 30th in 1992, members were discussing Sandman loads (Tori mentioning Neil, Neil mentioning Tori, Delerium looks like Tori), if you like Tori you'll like 'A Man Called E', and an announcement of the Ruby Trax complilation (which included Tori's version of 'Ring My Bell'). In 1994, Tori web pages (and again, what the hell is the web?), singles, and concert experiences. In 1995, members pledging to help RAINN in various ways (donations, promotion on websites etc), "Resume" by Dorothy Parker is posted for a third time, 95% of music is crap and crap is in the eye of the beholder, members putting their hands up to liking the Cocteau Twins, feeling down and suicide (namely how to try and deal with it), how Tori escaped her abductor, abortion, life would be boring if we only discussed Tori, and a stack of bounced digests sent to the list [this was just the beginning of a serious problem with the functioning of the list that ended up taking several weeks to sort out and fix and resulted in numerous sad little Never-Were-And-Never-Would-Be digests -- check out the August 1995 section of the archives!]. Also, how you like Tori, with one member posting: Or maybe a better analogy would be that the music is the ben and jerry's new york super fudge chunk ice cream, and the little details of Tori and her life are just the sprinkles. There has always been a part of me that says "you know, the music is what I love, and the rest of all the Tori stuff is fun and sometimes interesting but it's kind of fluffy and not that relevant to me at least." In 1996, repressed memories (e.g., war veterans), and a Washington Post article from 1980 is posted. In 1998, concert reviews and experiences (esp. meet & greets), a number of members introduce themselves to the list, the Jeopardy question, tickets, bootlegs, and a post with details about the myth and history of Cornwall reappears (it was originally posted in March, but is still good reading ;). In 2001, a couple of poems and a really bad joke were sent to the list [last post of the digest - curtesy of your Mum, Violet :)]. [ <ahem> Yes, Lavs, thanks for calling attention to that again. Just as bad as it was the first time around. Remember ... it was all my mother's fault.] [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Lavenda Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:12:29 -0500 From: Rebecca Brown Gregory <browngregory@mac.com> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: I'm comin' out. Hiho, Although I've been subscribed to this list for several years, and gone through several different e-mail addies in the process, this is my first post. Woo hoo! Why post now, you ask? Well, for one thing, I've just graduated from college and moved to a brand new city. I'm currently hunting for a job, and it's kind of a lonely process. Any St. Louis toriphiles out there? For now it's just me, the hubby, and the cats. Also, the anticipation for this new album has got me crawling out of my skin. It's not pretty. I downloaded ASF and it definitely has promise, not so much as CALS or Spark did for me, but better than Bliss. I am struggling not to download any of the songs from the sampler because three months in advance is just way too early. And I also have to complain just a little bit about the fact that the album was supposed to come out on my birthday before they bumped it back yet again. Well, I'm going to just jump in here and list my top 5 movies, in no particular order: Dancer in the Dark: Although I feel sick to my stomach through most of the movie ("oh god, selma, don't do that!"). I just adore Bjork for all her quirks and eccentricities. And I bought the DVD just so I could watch the Scatterheart sequence over and over again. Terms of Endearment: This is definitely a guilty pleasure. If I am ever in a mood where I just need to cry, you will find me watching this movie in the dark, curled up on the couch with a comforter and a box of tissue. Harold and Maude: I just love this one. The Big Blue: Another guilty pleasure, I watched this over and over when I was in junior high and I was going through a "I want to be a marine biologist" phase. Jean Reno and Jean-Marc Barr are so freaking sexy. The Professional: Another instance of the sexiness of Jean Reno. Well, I'd say that's overly long for a first post, so I'm going to disappear now. Rebecca -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:28:19 -0500 From: Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodigy.net.mx> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY! To Simon, let the years to come be filled with your interminable and funny replies! e. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:41:02 +0100 (BST) From: Matt Smith <M.S.Smith-01@student.lboro.ac.uk> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: planet earth is blue and there's nothing i can do hi everybody it seems like my "loss of quality vs. risk of damage" argument is quite badly flawed, with the descriptions various people have posted regarding the ripping and burning process, and so i'll withdraw it. it also seems like a lot of people are getting their cds damaged, and this is something i still don't really understand - maybe i'm just obsessively careful about the way i treat my cds, but you wouldn't think so judging by the general state of the rest of my possessions. it's good to read people's thoughts about self-publishing, and i certainly agree with what you have been saying about ani difranco and others. i think that the possibilities for napster et al are greatest in supporting a move towards more widespread and successful self-publishing in the future. this can only be a good thing, as it would allow artists to retain control of their IP and would mean they would no longer be subject to the contractual demands of record companies. the problems of the last year or two have been caused by the huge-scale copyright infringements which have been perpetrated, but using this software to promote the interests of self-publishing artists would be a very positive application. as for copyright in classical music, i believe that copyright expires a certain time after the death of the author, and the work enters into the public domain. i'm pretty sure there are regulations about copyright in interpretations, adaptations, and representations of other material, but i honestly can't remember the details and so i wouldn't like to go too far into that side of things if you don't mind. cyndi wondered why i was sucked dry of any uplifiting thoughts post- portishead. well, all i can say is, if you haven't heard the album, then try to do so - it's a bloody harrowing listening experience. if you have heard it and find it anything other than difficult, i'd be interested to hear what you think of it so i can maybe listen to it in a different way next time. hooray for cheap record stores, from which i purchased the following albums for a combined price of less than Ł27 this weekend: suzanne vega, "solitude standing" grandaddy, "under the western freeway" cocteau twins, "tiny dynamine / echoes in a shallow bay" natalie merchant, "live in concert" and tomorrow i will receive the belly collection and the new springsteen, hooray! trying to stay awake to watch the cubs and the cards later tonight, matt ---------- "Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connaÓt point." Blaise Pascal, "PensČes" -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:53:51 +0000 From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: birthdays! well, i just got back from my writing workshop, so first things first: happy birthday estraven, jessie, katie, canton, and simon! let's just say the workshop was awesome, i'll never look at a sink the same way again, i'm a panda porn star, and i lost my con-ginity. well, i'll reply to previous digests tonight and tomorrow, so don't get too irritated if i post 5 times in a row. -ade *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* http://www.geocities.com/blupyglet http://www.livejournal.com/~agentfroot *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:59:58 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: damnation damn it, I need to take my freaking Geoshitties website down (it's not listed cuz it sucks. www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Arena/4308/ )... anybody willing to hack into it and tear it down and replace it with a link to my platinumcomplication.com site? PLEASE? I mean, if my bf doesn't do it for me first.. PLEASE???????? I'm so sick of Michael Jackson fans messaging me asking for "shirtless" pics of him and so on. argh! HELP!!! anyway.. hello everybody! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 01:53:15 -0500 From: Emmanuel Caballero <spacedog@prodigy.net.mx> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: the unbearable lightness of dissertation Brian replied to me as I pointed out that a huge band such as Metallica has practically no moral decency fighting over personal copies causing them shortcomings: >"you'd never see an unsigned artist given that sort of cash." Well, judging by the looks of today's musical scene, I find it even more remote that unsigned artists will get any cash at all. If there's something clear about how the trends are changing is that now everything is either mainstream or doesn't exist at all. I watch the latinamerican MTV, and in an hour of videos you can watch from The Strokes to Britney, passing through Kylie Minogue, Shakira or Weezer. Everything and everyone with a record company either makes it big or are gone. Companies don't give a rat's ass about those medium-seller artists who only make a couple of gold albums. I think Tori's case was an obvious example of a company-got-too-big giving a not so popular artist her walking papers, or as we'd like to put it, an artist not satisfied with the way her record company was doing things. I'm pretty sure that's what happened, but let's face it, to even be considered for the illegal copying issue, you've got to be big, very big. And as much as you can just walk away from your company like Tori did, I'd be terrified being a musician today with what record execs are considering viable products. Consequently, it's precisely the unsigned, or underpayed artists who can truly exploit the benefits of such cheap forms of production. I bet Ani DiFranco would have found it easier if she had a couple of cd burners to distribute her first album. The versatility of the digital form ( either cds or mp3s ) allow cheap and easy ways to get your stuff heard all over the place. Think web radio stations. These are real good alternatives to local stations, commercial stations, and suddenly they are another threat to the huge companies. It now seems musicians and people who love music have suddenly joined the axis of evil and unethical piracy of music you'd hear without paying anyway, someway. I just know I'd be happier to buy cds from these companies as long as they kept their priorities on the products they release, and not on our petty petty crimes. On a completely, and fortunate to say, much more soulful ( not that I'm saying Brian doesn't have a soul!! I love you man! ) thread of discussion, I picked this excerpt from reading Bethany Rusen's diary, and I hope she doesn't find it rude of me for posting this here without her permission: >"I've always felt it's so illuminating to write about your art. If not for other people, at least for yourself. I think most people tend to think that the need to write about a piece of your own art is a weakness, that the piece is not strong enough to stand on its own conceptually and has to be "explained". I really think that it can be so much more. Art and writing is generally meant to stand on its own, but why can't they have a symbiotic relationship, one not explaining the other, but completing each other." By the way, the art which she was referring to was architecture, or visual arts for that matter. Beth, I agree with you in that visual arts and writing not only CAN complete each other, but SHOULD do more often. However, I believe in an object of art being a unity which exists afar from it's creator. I think the insight an artist can give the public about his art can be insightful, but it can be very deceptive as well, paradoxically. When a piece of art is finished and the artist can say it's ready, then he must detach itself from it immediately, because that's what art is, a departure from everyday objects to obtain its miraculous new meaning. As much as art should be differentiated from reality ( in the sense that even if some art such as urban sculptures coexist with everyday life, it still exists on a different plane, the plane of symbolism and not mere significance ), it should be separated from the existence of its creator as well. For one thing, I'd have no interest in art by now if every piece of painting I ever saw had a written dissertation about it besides it. Much of the importance of art in humanity is precisely the capturing and efficiently conveying not of information, but sentimental content. How does an explanation of a piece which is not verbal affect its interpretation? I believe the explaining of one's work is in some ways exactly what "formal" education does to imagination. The interminable list of solutions, explanations and facts sustain a reality which is closed to subjective interpretation and further sentimental appreciation. One thing I love about painting is that things are much more open to interpretation. Semantics in visual arts are a language which will never have a dictionary, and that's a great thing. Visual arts, IMHO, are the great imaginative windows of humanity, as much as literature has done for that department. Who hasn't ever heard that an image is worth a thousand words? Let's not leave it at image, let's expand the thought: How many words is a painting by Caravaggio worth? How many is a sculpture by Rodin? How many a building, a photograph, a comic book? And most importantly, the fact that those thousands of thousand of words are not the same for every person, not the same for every time you look at the subject piece of art! I find it fair not to talk about what my paintings mean. I know this gives other people the chance of inventing their own stories and give the piece their own meaning in their lives. After all, what I felt painting it I will always remember, and it's finished, and now it has a job in the world, be a new slate for someone else. How accurate the portrayal of my feelings it is? That's my job from the beginning, and even then I'm sincerely not interested. I never know if it's gonna be a showable piece anyway when I'm painting. >From my experience I know that I'd rather answer personal questions before questions regarding something that's not me anymore. Same as it wouldn't be fair speaking of someone else without them being able to contradict me. After all, art is art, artists are just like the rest of us, n'est pas? sincerely, from some rotten and God forgotten parisian burlesque house e. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:07:40 -0600 From: NuttyBakerGirl <rokzane@dimensional.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: re: self-publishing artists matt wrote: "I'm not up on the histories of these artists, but I'm guessing they originally had the backing of a recording company. Being self-publishing is only really feasible if you are already known." No they didn't. Ani couldn't get a record deal to suite her own terms, so she started her own company. She ran hers out of her one bedroom apartment for years. She didn't have the money to set up an office as she needed the money from her gigs to buy studio time. It's not difficult to start your own company, you just need to want to put the time into it. And it costs almost nothing to copyright your own work so you own it. (In most states it costs about one dollar to register your company with the local government) Melissa Ferrick was on a small independent label for her first 2 albums, but decided to start her own company when she thought the label wasn't doing the marketing job they should of been doing. They didn't have any money to give her for funding. As far as them being known....they were very well known locally when they started. They both travelled around doing gigs way before they started publishing their own records. If you have a good local fan base, it grows from there. Once you start putting out records, you just keep touring, putting out press releases, and marketing yourself. So now, 10 years later, every show they play is sold out, nationwide. You probably don't know of them well because they don't tour in Europe. Mellissa Ferrick never has, and if Ani ever has, it hasn't been often. Geez, I sound like I'm ranting, but really I'm not. I just want you to realize that publishing your own work is indeed possible. Anyways, I gotta get some sleep. Roxanne -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:10:00 -0600 From: NuttyBakerGirl <rokzane@dimensional.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: ooops Oops, My reply was to Brian, not Matt! sorry. I'm a little sleepy :). Roxanne -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:33:07 -0400 From: Kerri R Klein <kklein21@student.scad.edu> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: here i am. moved and settled, kerri is here... i checked mail today to find myself unsubscribed... (sorry violet...i'm suddenly a schmo) i had let those suckers pile up in the hotmail, having moving things happening and not having a magic screen at my living quarters... three weeks and a buttload of junk mail... GRRR. hope all is safe and warm here... i will be breathing. k. renee -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:30:29 -0700 From: guapo stick <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: toriamos.com update as of now, the html site has not been updated yet, but the flash is up there: Monday, July 29 Album, Video, Tour Update! 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