RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1751

RDT Right Now #1751

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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 02:20:48 -0800
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1751 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o It's official [ Jim <jimphynn@mindspring.com> ] TORI TICKETS TORONTO [ "Rikki ." <liquidice93@hotmail.com> ] Christina STRIPPED [ "cdrv" <cdrv@arnet.com.ar> ] and you just lift your lamp [ Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.de ] old timers again [ "h." <orphea@pacbell.net> ] i need your opinions on a song [ Holly LeCompte <zoe62984@yahoo.com> ] miscellany [ Kahlil Pfaff <jkpfaff@liberty.edu> ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Please_Don't_Stand_To [ "J. Mathers" <jmathers@westol.com> ] quickytoot [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] "but I tell you, life is sweet, in s [ Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> ] Everything and nothing and a poor de [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ] Deep throat [ Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net. ] a shorter fairytale [ john bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.n ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] day off To read more about these items, visit the list archives. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:26:48 -0500 From: Jim <jimphynn@mindspring.com> To: 52ndst@yahoogroups.com, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, CT5-Chat@topica.com Cc: Jim Goldman <james.goldman@prudential.com>, rxtlc628@hotmail.com Subject: It's official On Saturday night, November 16, 2002, I was performing in a murder mystery dinner theatre show called Killjoy at the Cock and Bull Restaurant in Lahaska, PA. The theme of this show is kind of like the TV game show 'The Weakest Link.' My character's name was Les Cranium, a boxer who had taken a few too many hits to the head. I had seven people in the audience whom I knew (out of about 100). They were: Jenn, her parents, my parents, my sister and her husband. And there was a conspiracy going on. Jenn and I dated for two years in college before we broke up. We got together again about a year ago. You see, about a month or so ago, I bought an engagement ring to give to Jenn. At the beginning of the second act, when all of the characters assembled to start playing a part of the game show (each with an audience member in tow), the third question was "does anyone have anything they'd like to ask?" We penned that into the script. I asked if it was all right if I stepped out of character. So there I was, in costume, wearing a ripped and wrinkled shirt and a Harry Potter band-aid on my nose, and still dripping wet from a bit just before the start of the "game show" where I take an audience member's glass of water and pour it over myself in a Rocky-Balboa-style victory celebration, borrowing the microphone. Jenn was sitting right on the aisle, two tables away from the front of the room. (In a setting like this, with the cast performing in the middle of the audience, we don't really have stage left and stage right the way it is in a conventional theatre.) I said something quick about how this was a few months in the coming, walked down the aisle to her, took the ring out of my pocket, got down on one knee and asked her to marry me. The next few minutes are a blur to me. I really don't remember hearing anything, other than her 'Yes.' (And somebody behind me who started to clink his or her glass, like they do at a wedding. We obliged their request.) My friend Julie was there with a video camera. Pictures will be forthcoming. We're looking at an "Autumn in Cape Cod" wedding and a honeymoon in England. Jim -- Jim Goldman jimphynn@mindspring.com ICQ: 6380342 www.mindspring.com/~jimphynn ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint Exupery -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:01:09 +0000 From: "Rikki ." <liquidice93@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: TORI TICKETS TORONTO I HAVE 2 SEPERATE PAIR OF TICKETS TO THE TORONTO CONCERT. ONE PAIR IS ONLY 10 ROWS BACK, THE OTHER PAIR IS 23 ROWS BACK. I AM NOT LOOKING FOR PROFIT ON THESE TICKETS. LOOKING TO SELL THEM FOR THE PRICE I BOUGHT THEM AT. IF INTERESETED PLEASE EMAIL ME ASAP! liquidice93@hotmail.com Rikki check out my poems :) http://poetrypoem.com/cgi-bin/index.pl?sitename=liquidice&item=home A GOAL WITHOUT A PLAN IS JUST A WISH _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:14:04 -0300 From: "cdrv" <cdrv@arnet.com.ar> To: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Cc: <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> Subject: Christina STRIPPED When we last left our heroes Cyndi said : Daniel made lots of good points about Christina Aguilera's new album.. but.. "I agree the MTV Video of DIRRTY is sort of tacky" SORT OF tacky?? nuh uh.. WAY TOO TACKY. now, I'm all about vocal/musical maturity, and Christina feeling more bold is all fine with me.. but her lack of clothes and.. control seriously turns me off. You make a very good point about Britney Spears and her virginity stance and then her Slave 4 U video being very sexual, however. In either case, both of 'em.. Christina AND Britney (even tho I like Britney's wardrobe a lot better lol) seem to be kinda hypocritical in ways.. *shrug* Having said that, though, I have to say that just because you're a virgin and you're trying to promote waiting-for-marriage, doesn't mean (to me anyway) that you have to be covered in clothes from the neck down and not be sexual at all. Many virgins are sexy and are sexual as well, they *usually* just don't take it too far. That's the key--knowing what is too much and when to stop. .... Am I making any sense, or have I created a double-standard argument? o_O Not at all! I really liked what you have to say, I agree greatly with your statement that if you are a virgin and promoting marriage, you just don't have to gife up your sexual nature. I think at the end at the day as far as music bussiness goes, in the Christina/Britney affair it is a matter of the music. I think Christina have the talent and raw energy to become a major artist with something to say. It think it is just a shame her new image overshadows somewhat her music and what she has to say :( her message in STRIPPED is very empowering. I think everyone is realizing at her label that DIRRTY (Both Track&Video) was not the smartest choice to reveal her new self. I think that this is the cause (plus that the DIRRTY Video & Cd-Single being banned from most conservative Asian countries like Indonesia) that they are realising her new single BEAUTIFUL. The song has already been shipped to Radio and has created great interest, I like the self-worth message of it - THAT is a GOOD message for Little Girls, and why not for everyone :). The new Cd-Single is starting to get promoted :). Take a few minutes and donwload it, is beautiful as the tittle. ALL of this only after less than 60 days that DIRRTY was released, when ususally a single is promoted for about 3 to 4 months. I think it really says something. I hope all the DIRRTY affair hasn't trash her image and she can reveal her true self in a more subdue and delicate way still being her ... :) See Ya :) Daniel -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:37:53 -0800 From: Beth Winegarner <echoes@atlantic.devin.com> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: and you just lift your lamp Andrea wrote: > *grin* beth, you rock. i haven't spent much time looking at these > lyrics but when i heard the "you just lift your lamp" line i also > thought of the hermit card. however, i think the direct reference is > to the statue of liberty. Ohhhh. OHHHHHH. Now I'm thinking of the Statue of Liberty as a big honkin representation of the Hermit ... I'm going to have to think about that a LOT more. Maybe this is something she's getting at. I dunno. Wow. I'd have never thought of it that way - thank you! John wrote: > I never read the story (though I think I saw a version of it on TV when I > was young), but when I saw the Star Trek movie I had a feeling that line > came from somewhere, so I searched on google. So did I, and that's how I wound up with Blues Traveler. Honestly! Of course, I didn't search for "Straight on Til morning" AND "Peter Pan," just the former. Huh. Beth -- "This country has a deep fear and mistrust of strong, smart, accomplished, outspoken women unless they are sexy 22-year-olds killing vampires on television." -- Dennis Miller _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ music reviews + stories + poetry + photography + collage + Watchers livejournal + selkies + esoterica + links = http://echoes.devin.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:59:29 -0800 From: "h." <orphea@pacbell.net> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: old timers again like andrea, the first rdtrn i've read in the last few weeks contained kahlil's post. hi! i do remember you posting. i've been here since late '92, off and on, and early on i was mostly a lurker, but posted every now and then from my cc.colorado.edu address. i've been lurking a lot the last year or so, but i'm happy to see some old timers around, and even happier to see album reviews and tori content returning to the list. hey, anyone remember "grey ears?" when i first joined this list, i was 17 and one of the youngest members. i turned 28 the other day. wow. i'm still digesting scarlet's walk. there's not a single song on it that i dislike, and so far there are several that i absolutely love. back to the woods, redstamen -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:38:15 -0800 (PST) From: Holly LeCompte <zoe62984@yahoo.com> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: i need your opinions on a song Hello all. I'm writing a paper in my Literature class in which I explicate a poem (or in other words...rip it to shreds and put it back together). I already wrote a paper on "Bells For Her"... but in our final paper she wants us to do a revision paper and I chose to do it on this one. What I could use from all of you are your opinions on what you think the song is about and what it means to you, and anything else you could add to that effect. I want to bring in other perspectives (and hopefully elements that I never thought of), that way it really will be a revised paper. Any help contribution would be appreciated. Holly LeCompte __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:44:15 -0500 From: Kahlil Pfaff <jkpfaff@liberty.edu> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: miscellany i am glad to see several people that i remember from the olden days, *nodding towards beth, cyndi and andrea*. feels pretty damn funny when you are only 25 and can consider yourself an old-timer. oh well. hope time has been kind to everyone, cheers. just to make my .02 known, i just picked up scarlet's walk the other day. aside from a couple of songs that really stick out to me, i think that i prefer under the pink...always have always will. perhaps i lean that way 'cos it came out when i was really feeling the sting of life and was an aural comfort to me. oh well. -- --- Kahlil Pfaff IM: MallyDobb jkpfaff@liberty.edu -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:17:02 -0500 From: "J. Mathers" <jmathers@westol.com> To: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Please_Don't_Stand_Too_Close_to_Me?= My main social life now seems to be listing to the previews at the Barnes & Nobel record department. We have the Friday night crowd there and it is becoming somewhat of a social group. Being 61 you sort of become invisible to the younger people coming into the area. Last Friday I had a crisis. Following are the conversations I had with myself during this crisis: "Why are all of these bells and whistles going off? Where have you been all of my life, pretty girl? I know I am married and my relationship with my wife has taken 35 years to develop. I do not know how to live without my wife. We read each other like a book and plan to spend the rest of our years together and are still in love. We both are aging together and we both desire the body of our youth but know this is an impossible dream. I know beauty is an illusion cast on us from some strange programming inherent in my brain. There is so much your wife will put up with. The last things I need are new pathways being formed. But when all is said and done pretty girl, please don't stand too close to me. Don't you understand that beauty is power. It is the power to drive people to irrational acts and do things certainly not in their best interest. I know this power is derived from the irrational mind. Life must be based on rational decisions and relationships developed as a full package. I am too old for this kind of stuff and know better. But when all is said and done pretty girl, please don't stand too close to me. I don't want to give you power over me. Why am I looking at that young gentleman following you around with envy? Is he afraid that someone is going to steal you if he should turn his back? It has been years since I had to protect my wife from other men. I do not want competition again or nor does my wife. But when all is said and done pretty girl, please don't stand too close to me. I don't want to give you power over me. Am I a victim of irrational thoughts driving me to irrational actions? Driving 500 miles roundtrip to a Tori concert and spending an afternoon standing outside freezing to meet Tori is not rational. Tori represents beauty in sound. Too many pathways have been formed through the years. I should learn to control my irrational behavior. I am a grown up. I can understand my wife's fits of insecurity at times. If I should meet Tori in Columbus, there is one thing I would ask of her. When all is said and done pretty girl, please don't stand too close to me again. I don't want to give you more power over me. I then had an interesting thought. Is my ego running wild? Who knows, there may be someone looking at me? They may be going through the same mental processes and all they can say to themselves is "Why are all of these bells and whistles going off? Where have you been all my life, handsome tall man? Don't you understand being handsome is power? I don't want to complicate my life. But please don't stand too close to me. I don't want to give you power over me." After all of this, I went home, recovered and went on with life. The next week I visited the record department. I mentioned to the clerk on duty that I was writing this article about the pretty girl and her boy friend. A smile came over his face and he said that the fellow following her around was not her boyfriend. He was her boyfriend and the fellow was only her friend! My face turned red. He is very proud of her and said to write the article. They would enjoy it. Good grief, I may even meet the girl. The next week I wrote the article and let the other girls read it. All the other girls in the department all asked if they should not stand too close to me. Have I tapped into some deep recession of the female ego? If my wife should see this article I am dead meat. I give one guess as to which group I was listening to. I should police my thoughts. Have to end. Jim Mathers -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:12:13 -0500 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: quickytoot happy bday Kerri Renee! um.. I don't wanna send off a just-a-bday-wish post so.. Tori ruuuules. :D I finally got my concert review (my very 1st concert.. Atlanta. whee!) put up on my page.. and also.. go to the links section sometime and check out my bf's page.. it's nice-like and good. :D Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:51:22 -0800 (PST) From: Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: "but I tell you, life is sweet, in spite of the misery" arija said (regarding the concert that I MISSED! ugh): <<it seems like all that anger is gone; had she played more pele, would i have been disappointed?>> I've started thinking of the album in that way... Tori minus the pain. And ya know? I'm starting to like it more. Sure, a lot of the songs still sound alike... I don't think any amount of listening to the album is going to change that. But thinking, "jeez, this woman, who I completely adore, is finally happy." She sang about personal pain and exploring her own psyche on LE and UtP. I'm sure a lot of us could relate to those intrapersonal journeys. We've all known some level of pain. We've all looked inside ourselves to try to absolve ourselves of it. Tori put it to music for us. I felt her frustration in Precious Things, and I let her cry for me in Baker Baker. Then we come to BfP, which dealt with the anger, the feelings of loss, and of revenge. I can't even begin to explain how many times I listened to Hey Jupiter and Putting the Damage On after the love of my life walked out the door forever. And then I shaved every place where he'd been. ;-) FtCH echoed other types of pain... of losing her baby and the confusion that surrounded it. While I've never been in that position and I pray that I never will be, Tori conveyed those thoughts to us... and I felt her pain, and loss. Then there was Venus, which started to shift... less pain, more exploration... many attempts to decipher truths about this world. Perhaps SLG did the same thing... trying to figure out how people view each other, and attempting to make sense of it......... And then we come to Scarlet's Walk. Where is Tori? In an assumably happy marriage with a man who loves her, finally holding her baby girl in her arms. Playing her piano (ahyesIsaidahyes). Writing music... entering a time in her life when things are making sense on their own. I know for damn sure that I'm not there yet, but she got there.... through everything, Tori made it there. Maybe there's hope for all of us..... And this is the way that I've started listening to Scarlet's Walk. I mean, I've been happier recently-- things are finally starting to come together, so why am I still looking for anger and pain? SW recognizes that there are still sad days, and that the world is still confusing.... but that it's okay. I still wouldn't say that this album has "grown on me", but I appreciate it a little more. Mainly because I'm happy that Tori's happy. ~Linda~ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:09:19 -0500 From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Everything and nothing and a poor dead Toriphile Excuse the headings, but I had to write down the topics I need to mention and with final projects taking up my mind, I can't remember my name. So.... Tori Show: I was at Camden (if you saw an "older" chick in a brown velour bell sleeve hippy top, or a gray sweater coat with silver shawl, that was me). I hate the venue, yuck, yuck, yuck! The acoustics, the vibe, the audience...double yuck! BUT: Tori still rocked the house. It took a while to settle into the Tori zone; mucho thanks to the chicks who showed up during the third song and decided to talk for a while. I finally turned and stared at them. When they refused to make eye contact, I said to the girl closest to me, "Do you like Tori Amos?" "Yeah" she replied puzzled. "Did you come here to listen to some really good music?" "Yeah" she said excited. "Then listen" I said and turned back to the stage. It worked for a while. I couldn't believe the songs Tori pulled out of her ass. I love River so much and her rendition is heart-rending. Take to the Sky is now completely Funkadelic and I love it! It's always my favorite song and I always write her a note requesting it for every concert. And when she did Black Swan and Black-Dove back to back, I nearly lost it. It was just a really awesome concert and it was so good to see my concert "family"; those regulars that I have gotten to know and even kinda love a little. Some are just so sweet. My request for Take to the Sky arrived too late. I got so lost going to the venue that the meet and greet was over so I wasn't able to give my envelope to Anyone until the intermission. I'd kept looking for Joel (the big, blond bodyguard for newbies), but simply couldn't find him prior to the concert. I ended up handing it to a sound crew guy that was laying cord for Tori's set and asked if he could give it to Joel. After the concert, I saw Joel on stage and walked up to him. He saw me and I'd barely gotten out the words "Joel, I gave..." when he stopped me with "Stop right there Beth. I got it and put it in the center of her dressing table in her dressing room. It'll be the first thing she sees." My heart just about stopped and I thanked him and left. I am so blown away that out of thousands of people that he sees, he remembers me by name. And that he takes such care with what I give Tori. I've had a couple of people who know tell me that my writing is so important to her that she makes sure it is on the bus with her and then goes home with her. My self bound books are on her bookshelf in her home I've been told. I am so flattered. I hear it now: Beth, What did you give her? I gave her a montage of photos of me from the play and the reviews, a couple of poems I wrote re: 9/11 and a letter updating her on my life (sort of what I write for you guys). Nothing special. The new album: Now this is something special. Anyone who even begins to think they understand the depth of this album is fooling themselves. It is the largest onion I've ever seen come out of Tori and the layers never end. It is an amazing piece of work. Not ever for background music, and it takes a great deal of work to dig out the meanings, but quite rewarding. Rachel Siani: There is an article about Rachel on my website. In a nut shell, she was a Toriphile who was an exotic dancer that was murdered by one of her customers and thrown off the PA-NJ Turnpike Bridge. Actually, she died after being thrown, but was thought dead. He is on trial and it hurts so bad to see Rachel's lifestyle on trial. This married man had his wife drive him to the strip club every week so he could spend the night (alone, ha ha) in an adjoining hotel, and HER lifestyle is being questioned? And who defends Rachel? No one. Once you are dead, they can say what they like, make any judgments they want and no one objects. If he is let off... Well, I already know our justice system sucks, so I wouldn't be surprised. His defense is that it wasn't him; his car keys were copied and someone stole his truck and framed him. But when he was first arrested, he claimed he wasn't even there that night. Urg. Those of you who know how: curse John (Jack) Denofa with anything you can (preferably something that will make his prick fall off). I'll let you all know how it ends. Until then, read the article and remember Rachel. She was a good person. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when Everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say And I have always been a Fairy. www.bethcoulter.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:48:35 +1100 From: Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net.au> To: Really Deep Thrusts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Deep throat All replies, but I swear there's Tori talk in there. In 1749, Cyndi said: >Brian and others are talking a bit about CNNNN.. is there an official >website for this? *curious* Not that I know of, but I guess the CNN website would be an accurate parody of it. The continuing attacks with the deflated baloon... > yay!! *wap*wap*wap*wap*wap*wap*wap*wap*wap*wap*wap* ... wait. >this one doesn't have any helium in it.. lol.. I'm beginning to think that balloon wasn't full of helium, but nitrous oxide instead which you inhaled. I'm glad you haven't used the word "flaccid" in any of this. >Coops then said: "After that, I can think of another thing to do with >that particular latex item." > well you ain't doin' it to me! :P You mean you don't want to blow it up again and make balloon animals? You're no fun! What were you thinking of? > no.. I mean I haven't changed out of my pajamas into my clothes >for the day.. o_O hahah hey if someone paid you a dollar, would you walk >around naked in public?? I wouldn't. lol And here I was hoping at least you'd be lounging around in some scanty lingerie at least. Let me guess... your pj's are blue? Walk around naked in public for a dollar? What do you think I am, a cheap exhibitionist? Guinnevere wrote: >I just wanted to thank the folks who emailed me the birthday wishes! >It made turning 34 a lot better! >(Hey, though, age is ALL in the mind....and in my mind, I'm 27!) Hell, I'm 36 and I'm still acting 16. But I know exactly what you mean. Until I hit my mid twenties, I still felt 18. I'd like to feel 18 again. Any 18 year olds looking to cop a feel? I know that was bad, so will everyone stop rolling their eyes? Arija wrote in #1750: >but i really noticed tonight that a lot of her new songs sound really >alike. ... i found myself kinda spacing out at times. That seems to be the general consensus of what people think about the album. It doesn't seem to matter if you like/dislike the album, everyone seems to have their favourite songs, or least favourite. For the rest of the songs, a lot of people are saying "I haven't made my mind up yet", or "they seem to merge into one'. If people are still indecisive at this stage, that can't be good for the album. Cyndi wrote: >okay ON WITH THE REPLIES!!! I swear I read that as "on with the reptiles". Belle said: >I don't know about everyone else, but I've been reading some disturbing >things about Tori's new "Darth Vadar"' habit. I think that description is overly dramatic, but there is an element of truth to this. Not only have I heard her do this, it's one of the qualities I find most endearing. It's about hearing every single breath that heaves out of her chest when she's singing. While I'd more subdued on her albums, it is far more apparent live. If she didn't deep throat the microphone so much you wouldn't notice it, but the reason I like the heavy breathing is that it creates a more intimate feel, as if she's whispering in your ear. That and I really have a thing for women with breathy voices. Ok, John, I spoke too soon. Four reviews in one digest was a bit hard to take, but it wouldn't look so bad if more people started posting. Brian -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 06:27:08 -0500 (EST) From: john bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.net> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: a shorter fairytale I've been recording a tape of "Scarlet's Walk" in a somewhat different order (I intend to call it "a shorter fairytale"). Because there's some pretty great music on this CD, and I seem to be finding it difficult to focus on it at times. Sometimes sequence is the key. You have to shake things up a little. I like my "Crazy Paving" tape better than the actual SLG, that's for sure. On a related topic, Cyndi asked about cut-ups. Cut-ups are basically sampling, except with words rather than sounds. The idea started in the 1920s when an artist named Tristan Tzara created a poem by cutting up an existing poem into little pieces of paper, dumping the scraps into a hat, then reading each word as he pulled it out at random. The idea was revived in the 1950s by a painter named Brion Gysin and a writer named William Burroughs. I do it the way Burroughs did, cutting things up into chunks, not down to individual words. Take a piece of paper. Cut it across the middle and up the middle so you have four quadrants. Rearrange them in different combinations, reading what you end up with, until you have something you like. You can cut up anything, either a single piece of writing or a combination of different things. I've cut up Adrienne Rich poems (my favorite poet, by far), I've combined a scene from a Hemingway story with a scene from a novel by Aldous Huxley. I've cut up Laurence Durrell. I've cut up my own writings and articles from the New York Times. I'm working on Thomas More's "Utopia" right now. Cutups are frequently funny (I wouldn't do them otherwise, I confess). Not to everybody's taste, but they frequently make my mother laugh immoderately. Cyndi also asked: > hahah hey if someone paid you a dollar, would you walk > around naked in public?? I wouldn't. lol No, but for a dollar a might write an RDT post while naked. Oh, wait, I've already done that. Roxanne said: > I didn't mean to send a recipe for a chiffon cake to the list. I was sort of wondering about that. I thought maybe it was some sort of Tori reference that I wasn't getting (I could imagine Tori having a song called "Chiffon Cake"). > It's not easy to stay on your toes and keep your music and writing > fresh. Many songwriters and literary writers fail at that. Oh, I know, I just had to give you a little shit about the way it sounded. After all, Tori is quite a bit younger than I am. In general, though, you're completely right. Many people have one good album, one good novel, one good movie (is Vincent Gallo ever going to direct again?), or maybe two. To sustain it over the long haul, even with occasional ups and downs, like Bob Dylan or Joni Mitchell (or Miles Davis or Robert Altman or Ornette Coleman) is a rare thing. In about twenty or thirty years we can assess how Tori has handled it. I was originally afraid that the longer version of "The Fellowship of the Ring" would only be available on DVD, but now it's out on video as well, so I immediately ordered it. As B/4, John o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o o-o-o *** Subliminal Day Off digest *** To POST messages to this list: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Can't figure out how to SUB, UNSUB, or CHANGE ADDRESSES? Send a message to <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "help" as the subject. Digest PROBLEMS or QUESTIONS? Contact: <admin@torithoughts.org> Want your BIRTHDAY announced on RDTRN in 2002? 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