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Date:
Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:09:23 -0800
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RDT Right Now #1753
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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1753
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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Unidentified subject! [ amber <agalleg@uark.edu> ]
kjadsoew;/asdf [ "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlif ]
IKEA [ "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com> ]
yay! [ Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist ]
quack [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ]
ketching up again [ "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au> ]
chicago tori ticket [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ]
boys for pele [ arija <arija.weddle@yale.edu> ]
~coat~ [ "Gabriela Kulka" <gabakulka@wp.pl> ]
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:07:03 -0600
From: amber <agalleg@uark.edu>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject:
arija said:
> it's true; being at this show in particular reminded me of a time when
> tori's music was REALLY important to me, as in defining parts of myself.
> while i don't feel that way about her anymore, as in i dont depend on tori
> the way i did when i was in high school or in my "formative years" or
going
> through general teenaged angst (not that i'm too far out of my teenage
> years, jesus), i recognize that i used to feel that way and i'm not
ashamed
> of it. it was a comfort feeling to see that though my attitude toward
tori
> amos' music has changed, i can still love it.
though I haven't had a chance to attend a show this tour (I haven't seen
Tori live since the 51/2 weeks tour with Alanis) I feel like this now, and I
realize it as I listen to SW. when I started listening to Tori I was in
high school and I often felt alone. her music was my long lost soul mate.
it said things that I wanted to say, but didn't know how to, or whatever. I
know that sounds cheesy, but I really connected with it on a deep, personal
level. I think a lot of you feel (felt) that way, at least in part. it was
difficult being a fan of Tori at that point, none of my friends listened to
her and they would all complain about things ("she's so damn screechy! she
doesn't make any sense! what the hell is this? turn it off." etc.) so often
times I had to defend why I liked Tori's music (ridiculous, I know, having
to defend your opinion and all, but what they said cut deep, for some
reason) anyway, over the years I looked less and less to others to say what
I wanted to say and I have since started using my own words. well, mostly.
her music is still really important to me, I love listening to it, but I can
listen to it in a more, well, relaxed sense. I think that a large part of
who I am is shaped by musical expression. some mine, some others, including
Tori. so I can say, "thanks" and be on my own way. its nice.
anyway, I don't know if any of that even made sense, but I thought that I
had something to say. :D. thanks for bringing that up, arija.
congrats to Jim. a great day/night/weekend to you all
*amber
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:12:33 -0800
From: "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlife@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: kjadsoew;/asdf
what is a darth vader habit?
jessica
does it all
come down to
the thing one
girl fears in the night
is another girl's paradise
agp--tori amos
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:38:54 -0500
From: "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com>
To: "Dipfucks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: IKEA
Cyndi axed about IKEA. i think the furniture in Fight Club was actually a
spoof on IKEA, you know, the slightly ridiculous names and the modern
design.
i myself cannot get over IKEA and can never seem to get out of there without
spending at least fifty bucks. it's truly a Disneyland for grown ups (or at
least those with a fetish for interior design). and i only live 25 minutes
away from one. life is good.
Jim, congrats!!!!
and with that, she was gone.
-bethany
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:58:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Succubus Megan <Abulia@imaterrorist.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: yay!
Hola mes amies!
Jim!
Congradulations, ya ol' hound doggie! Hurrah! Wear a flashy, tacky tux!
:c)
....If I Were Gay is the best song in the entire world. Everyone, download it.
That is all. Laconic R Us.
How Now, Brown Cow?
Megan Christine Auffart
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I never hope to see one;
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 02:35:29 +0000
From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: quack
hi all! i'm waaaaaaay behind in digests (i have half a dozen unread rdtrns
in my inbox), but i'll get around to them, really!
looky! it's a "dildoll!" disturbing yet absolutely hilarious. i want one
just so i can freak people out with it!
http://www.lesbianation.com/article.cfm?section=6&id=73
yesterday i finally got around to reading all the lyrics to "scarlet's walk"
while listening to the album. wow, now i understand everything so much
better. i have a better appreciation for a lot of the songs (especially
"pancake" and "scarlet's walk," but i really don't understand the pancake
reference...), but for a lot of the songs i think, "huh? i don't get it..."
but that's how i am with a lot of tori songs, they're pretty words and
melodies to me, and then once someone explains the song to me it will be
completely different and throw off my views a bit. oh well. i did
understand several of the songs on SW, thankyouverymuch! and even though i
still don't understand "taxi ride," i love it, and i'll sing along even
though i have no idea what i'm singing about. now that i know the lyrics, i
can sing along to the album instead of just humming! yay!
there was some christina/britney sluttiness debate thing going on. well,
tomorrow my group is giving a presentation on that topic in my psychology
"sex and gender" class. i'm making a graph and showing how their record
sales have plummeted and how they're probably getting sluttier to try and
increase the sales. woohoo.
well, folks, that's that for now!
-ade
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:04:55 +1100
From: "Lavenda" <earth@comcen.com.au>
To: "Arty Turners Walk" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: ketching up again
dang phones... been out of it for almost a week thanks to a faulty phone
line. So skimming to catch up, and I'm not entirely sure what you were
talking about Cyndi, but I'll look into it one day. Like the retros, I swear
I'll get back to them one day too.
And all these thoughts on the album I don't have the time to dwell on...
hopefully I'll get to dwell on them one day. But I haven't listened to the
album in about a week, so I might save it for when I pop it back on.
Thankfully Jessica mentioned Ron Jeremy in her post and reminded me I was
going to mention that he'll be on Rove Live next week... Kinda scary him
poping up like that. He must be a hit here too.
Erika, I was trying to think how old Gareth would be now, so thanks for
mentioning it (and saving me asking)! Yes, a clingy kid can get old fast.
Thankfully I haven't had to deal with it on a long term basis. Rather
enjoying this 'being in love for the third time' bit, hence my absence from
the computer. But things will change and I'll be seeking a sembalance of my
old life back at some stage I guess. Anyway, glad to here Gareth is doing
well.
X
Lavs
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- 'Merman', Tori Amos
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:49:43 -0500
From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org>
To: fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org,
exit75@torithoughts.org, tori-amos@yahoogroups.com,
bloated lapses of trope <ecto@smoe.org>
Subject: chicago tori ticket
i have one extra ticket for the tori show on friday, november 29th at the
chicago theater in (gasp!) chicago.
the seat is in section 4L on the floor, row HH, seat number 404. this seat
is in the 8th row of the orchestra, on seat off the center aisle (there is
a small orchestra pit so it's not the 8th row from the stage). to get an
idea of where this seat is, take a look at this seating chart:
http://www.bestseatschicago.com/charts/chicago_seating.htm
if you're interested, please let me know via e-mail. i'm heading out on the
road today but i will be able to check mail periodically. most likely, we'd
meet at the venue and do the exchange there.
thanks!
woj
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:55:28 -0500
From: arija <arija.weddle@yale.edu>
To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: boys for pele
>Alright I'm coming to my fellow Arty Turners. I need your help. I need
>people to explain the Pele phenomenon to me. I just don't get it. Why do
>so many people in the Tori community adore Pele? Please, I'm looking for
>answers. I really really enjoy the album. And yes I "get it" so please
>don't tell me to look deeper. I really want to hear why everyone loves it
>so much. It seems to me that it has something to do with its raw anger,
but
>there has to be more to it than that.
it's not just raw anger for me. i like pele the best because it feels like
an experience. it's my favorite tori album to listen to as an album,
because the progression of feelings and emotions make sense to me as it
moves. (close second in album experience would be choirgirl, in the order
listed in the liner notes). i also think, and this is why i'm always hoping
for pele at shows, that it's her most interesting song writing. as i've
mentioned before, i love her harpsichord phase (which, granted, i will
probably never hear perfomed live). she also has several songs on that
album that don't follow a verse-chorus-verse-chorus structure (horses,
muhammed my friend, way down, agent orange, twinkle) and like songs like
that. i've often wondered if my liking pele the best has to do with my age
and place in life right now. someone on this list once said that boys for
pele is a "college romp" through tori, and i'm at a place in life (college,
yes, and also my general state of brain development) where all that
craziness, unpredictability is comfortable. pele is also the only album
where i like every single track, though i remember this not always being the
case. also, pele is the first tori album i owned and heard, so that might
have something to do with it, too.
i really like scarlet's walk too, but i'm sure i've said that by now.
ok - off to dress for class and THEN driving my ass up to harvard for a
weekend of being drunk and watching football. (i love yale-harvard weekend.
it's the only time of the year that i'm ACTUALLY a college student.)
xoxo
arija
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:35:41 +0100
From: "Gabriela Kulka" <gabakulka@wp.pl>
To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org>
Subject: ~coat~
The coat was a souvenir from Lasten last summer:
the name was Lear and the air was heavy
with cigarette smoke unwelcome and ticking
of handwatches made in the south of the mountains.
The hair was red and we took the night
on very bad cherry and delusions of grandieur
completely alien to our own personas
watching bewildered as their bearers sat talking.
Passanger unpredicted on a highland stop
I thawed in large gulps and without a thought.
So the coat was ragged and it was worn askew
as if it had been made for a threehanded person
I checked and all three remained there well hidden
in sleeves as deep as the the depth of true blue.
So I told and he said and I did reply
and it all seemed too much and it wasn't enough
so I added he nodded and I think he would laugh
but the music was loud so he never did try.
Then decided the moon wasn't as bad as the cherry
so we took it outside to the icicled night
where the freezing wind strips all the unncessary
kindness and bares all what's wrong and what's right.
'Listen,' he shouted through the howling white mass
'I don't mind, it won't change as much as a flake
in this whole cold dominion at the top of the world
but if it's worth but one breath, then I don't mind, I say.'
And the storm tore the words away from his grin
and the red tangled storm hid away everything.
I froze and I tasted snowflakes and fear
and something intangible in the swirling dark.
And I knew if I checked there'd be no-one called Lear
on the customer's list at the bad cherry inn.
But the mittens have frozen onto one another
and we walked keeping up plain appearances
crumbling snow underneath shoesoles too thin
I was singing or was it the groan of the wind.
Just then a gust turned me or was it earth moving
The moon shivered yellow and then disappeared
held down firmly I knew he must tell me
I felt the billow of steam by my ear,
and he said everything from the tiniest detail
to the greatest secret and the boldest lie
a voice like a willow, accustomed to weeping:
I know every sunset and I know every night.
I know you cannot sleep in the city.
I know the lights are too bright in your head
I know you cry for a single thankyou
I know you plot against god and yourself
I know you know me for a very long time
from the first f minor in the speeding right hand
I know you fear death and you fear something more
And I know you. Regardless how long you pretend.
But today is the baragain and today is the day
when all measures of waiting blood will be paid for
I'm taking you back and you're going home.
I'm taking you. Taking you far away.
And I thought the wind took us. But the wind was dead.
the night mourned it in its blackest black
And I thought I was walking, but the road, was it there?
I was clutching the coatsleeves, I has holding myself.
I was holding my arms and the arms led to me,
an impossible thought the awareness came slow
me, in the coat, on the road, all alone.
And the feet led me back up the road to the inn
cigarette butts and a man at the door
one gratuitous oneliner and a door to the light
and the warmth but the warmth was surpsisingly cold.
And the noise woke me up. It was just like before
Shrugging the night away I sighed 'I don't mind.'
The reality thriving filled the room Now and Here,
safe for one shot bad cherry and a person named Lear.
http://www.mp3.com/gabrielakulka
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