RDTRN Archive - RDT Right Now #1755

RDT Right Now #1755

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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:51:58 -0800
Subject: RDT Right Now #1755
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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1755 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o wild game heads in the basement [ "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamai ] lalala [ "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmai ] Looking for Tori shirt [ Geno Endicott <geno@barbaloot.com> ] puppydog [ Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> ] Finally happy in the "friends-near-m [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] blue roses! [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] LAURA MARS/ ALFIE REFERENCE [ "cdrv" <cdrv@arnet.com.ar> ] Paper Moon [ "cdrv" <cdrv@arnet.com.ar> ] meet and greets [ "Cornflake Girl" <renata@frowl.org> ] my first time [ "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com> ] Scarlet walks (in a crowd ) [ "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamai ] I Know! I know! [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ] In response to Erika's question [ "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamai ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] day off To read more about these items, visit the list archives. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:21:44 +0800 From: "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: wild game heads in the basement > if you have access to a Unix (Linux, Solaris, Mac OS X, etc.) system > with Emacs installed, I have Linux (RedHat and YellowDog) on three different computers, but Emacs has always been more than I really needed. I used Pico for my text editing needs until I had to have a text editor with auto-indent, then I learned a little about vi. I'm sure I'll have to learn Emacs someday. No matter how I like Linux, I can never give up DOS completely, because I can't give up QEdit. I do most of my writing in it, including the cut-ups. It's great for cutting rectangular chunks of text. > would be to ftp the text from Gutenberg and then run > Dissociated Press on it I've tried a few different programs like that. There was one which ran under DOS called the Poetry Generator which was pretty good. But, even so, I always had to produce 10 lines to get a single one I really liked. Nope, I think the manual way is best, at least for me. It's like the old story about the bullet and the atom bomb. The atom bomb said to the bullet, "You know, I really envy you." "Why?" asked the bullet. "You can destroy whole cities at one time, I'm just one bullet, how can you envy me?" The atom bomb sighed. "I miss the personal touch." As B/4, John -------------------- "First American scholars wanted to remove his most significant life in Cuba and donated his open access to the country's patron saint, the Virgin Jenny, the granddaughter of chapters, raw fragments of longtime editor in fiction." -- from text 11/14/2002 -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:32:43 +0000 From: "Madame Ade" <alexandriasisp@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: lalala well, i'll try to send a few replies before thanksgiving break... jim - congratulations! you go, tiger! jenn is a lucky girl! there was talk of the dodge durango. my dad used to have one. it made him feel really macho, and he loved driving around in it while playing the james bond theme. it was hard for me to drive though, since i'm tiny and the seat wasn't as adjustable as the one in my mom's minivan. wow, that reply session was short! i'm going to florida for thanksgiving. it may be the last time i see my nana, since she's dying from lung cancer. *groan* i'm listening to SW for at least the 2nd or 3rd time today. woohoo! -ade *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* http://www.geocities.com/blupyglet http://www.livejournal.com/~agentfroot *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:53:24 -0800 From: Geno Endicott <geno@barbaloot.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Looking for Tori shirt Does anyone know where I can find one of the Satin Worship shirts from the Strange Little Girls Tour? geno. http://www.barbaloot.com AIM: BARBALUT She seems so cool, so focused, so quiet, yet her eyes remain fixed upon the horizon. You think you know all there is to know about her immediately upon meeting her, but everything you think you know is wrong. Passion flows through her like a river of blood. She only looked away for a moment, and the mask slipped, and you fell. All your tomorrows start here. -neil gaiman -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:41:08 -0800 (PST) From: Linda <lindagyne@yahoo.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: puppydog Simon-- I like Vega and Celeste the most, although "heylittledog" has a nice ring to it. :-) Congrats on your new little friend. ~Linda~ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus ñ Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:23:09 -0600 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Finally happy in the "friends-near-me" department 11/25/02 8:19 pm Hey Really Deep Thinkers, how are you all? I finally feel content with the way friendships are going with me. I've always been content with the ones online like you all and others but I've had many troubles with ones that live near me...but I was inspired by this quote from the book, Binding Ties by C.S. Adler, Dodie says, "You own the key to your own cage." It shows that you can't wait until the ice breaks...make it break because if they don't like you, that's their problem and you don't need them anyways. I've been a lot more friendly and opened and I'm getting great results. I have Maria B., Elena, Tia, Julie, Emma, Jessica, etc. etc. etc. Julie H. E-mail & MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com MTV Member: JulieH214 AOL IM: JulieH0214 Yahoo! IM: Juls21487 _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:33:21 -0500 From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: candi4545@mcloudteleco.com, nothing@cobalty.com, torandnan@juno.com, sonicdissention@hotmail.com, precious0147@yahoo.com, acrowd49@AOL.com, jcoffman@taurus.oursc.k12.ar.us, kimplicity@hotmail.com, lekia_thurman@yahoo.com, mleonard55@cox.net, chelleball32@hotmail.com, mindyboo20@AOL.com, mjcentral@hotmail.com, mjfansreunion@yahoogroups.com, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, lyricallacquer@hotmail.com, royha@deepfrost.com Subject: blue roses! anybody who knows me and how much I LOVE THE COLOR BLUE.. knows that this piece of news is rather exciting.. :D scroll down for the actual article. -- Cyndi from http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20021125/ap_wo_en_po/na _fea_sci_us_biotech_roses_1 : Biotech goal: sweet-smelling blue roses Sun Nov 24, 7:23 PM ET By PAUL ELIAS, AP Biotechnology Writer SAN FRANCISCO - Roses are red, and a variety of other colors. But they've never been blue ó an omission legions of rose breeders have sought for centuries to remedy. "It would be a beautiful thing to see," said James Armstrong, an award-winning flower show exhibitor and consultant with the San Francisco Rose Society. Breakthroughs in biotechnology may finally resolve the quest for the elusive blue rose, which, alas, does not exist because roses lack the corresponding pigment genes. Technology also promises to restore sweet smells to the rose and other flowers. Generations of commercial breeding has led to beautiful but bland-smelling roses. Their colors are stunning and vase lives long, but they've little fragrance. Genetic engineers are also busy bringing science to bear on diseases and pests that affect the world's 120 different rose species, which have blossomed into a $10 billion-a-year business worldwide. Still, it's the blue rose that remains the biggest prize. At Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, scientists studying how drugs metabolize in the liver stumbled across a human protein that may hold the key to creating the world's first-known blue rose. Elizabeth Gillam, working in the lab of biochemist F. Peter Guengerich, amazed her boss one day with a flask full of bacteria that she turned blue with an enzyme taken from a patient's liver. They're now trying to insert into roses the human gene that produces that blue enzyme. "I would have called you crazy five years ago if you told me I would be pursuing a blue rose," said Guengerich, who spends most of his time researching disease-fighting drugs. "It's not something we set out to do." Guengerich marvels that so many gardening enthusiasts lust after the blue rose, the pursuit of which has reached near-mythical proportions. "For some reason this is the holy grail for this type of work," Guengerich said. "We could try to create blue cotton, blue anything really." So far, though, they've only managed to get a few blue spots into the stems. "It's not as easy you may think," Guengerich said. "It's going to take more work." Guengerich and Gillam are nonetheless talking to biotechnology companies about helping them develop a blue rose. They're not alone ó Florigene, an Australian company, was launched in 1986 to develop a blue rose. Its scientists have tried to splice a "blue" petunia gene into roses, with little success so far. Sweeter-smelling roses are perhaps closer to market. Researchers around the world are working to identify scent genes in roses and other flowers. A key step has been mapping their genomes. A group of Israeli researchers published a paper in the journal Plant Cell in September that compared the genome of the strong-scented Fragrant Cloud rose to that of the nearly odorless yellow rose. Then, they isolated genes that occurred only in the fragrant rose and may be responsible for scent. The trick now is to splice the scent genes into non-fragrant varieties, a not-so-easy task. "Unfortunately, we don't have the technology to transform the rose," David Weiss of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, co-author of the Plant Cell paper, said in an e-mail interview. "We are working on it." At Clemson University, researcher Sriyani Rajapakse has developed DNA "fingerprints" so growers can protect their special rose breeds from being stolen. She also has produced a rough draft of the entire rose genome. Rajapakse said rose genomes will allow growers to more easily and quickly weed out undesirable plants. Now, growers typically have to wait until all of their roses bloom to decide which plants to keep and which to discard. "Biotechnology holds great promise for roses," Rajapakse said. Among other biotechnology projects that may soon be under way is the creation through genetic engineering of thornless roses. Robert Skirvin, a professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, hopes his work with thornless blackberry bushes can be used to de-thorn the stems of brambled rose varieties. Other research in various stages could add more panache to the ornamental flower industry. Of the top ten selling flowers, only the freesia has a naturally occurring blue variety. While there's growing criticism of biotechnology's use on crops to produce food and pharmaceuticals, protest against tinkering with flowers' genes has been muted. That's probably because flowers aren't generally being consumed. A few complaints have come from purists, but serious hobbyists like Armstrong of the San Francisco Rose Society view biotechnology a great way to grow better, hardier flowers. "They still have to be extremely careful that there isn't inadvertent hybridization," said Armstrong, who exhibits roses in shows. "But I'm not a purist. It would be nice to see a blue rose and the only way that's going to happen is through genetic engineering." ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:56:26 -0300 From: "cdrv" <cdrv@arnet.com.ar> To: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: LAURA MARS/ ALFIE REFERENCE -When We last Saw some Fairy Dust Matt Asked: ...what i'm wondering is, who's laura mars, and alfie? probably a ref erence i should have got, but i'm afraid not - anyone care to enlighten me? >From what I know LAURA MARS is a Character From a 70s sort of Psychic-Thriller movie, Starring F. Dunaway. In it, she is LAURA MARS a Fashion Photographer, who while sapping fashion shoots, can see through the lent of her camera, the murders that are about to happen, and she feels the need to try to help and not to let them happen. Like if she would have some sort of Psychic power or something. It seems it was a pretty popular movie in the 70s. For anyone interested in the movie it was recently issue fro the very 1st time on DVD, and at a quite resonable price. Something of $ 13 or 14, when I checked. It is also available as a early 1994 NTSC Letterbox (If I am not wrong!) Laserdisc that is still available and a long out of print PAL Laserdisc. That You can still get if you look carefully. It still get play at times on CINEMAX late at night. In the Movie Babra Streisand sings the main Theme PRISONER, which was a leftover from her 1978 SONGBIRD album that was fit into the main theme of the movie. You can see the art of the LP (Which is F.Dunaways face all in Black, I really like it :) in www.bjsmusic.com in the discography section. Strangely enough ALFIE is another STREISAND TUNE, which apparently is the main track of a film in which the main character is named that way (Don't know the name of the movie). You can hear the track on the STREISAND albums WHAT ABOUT TODAY and TIMELESS - LIVE IN CONCERT. That is all I Know, hope it was of some use. Coming soon my thoughts on Tori's New Album, Which I got from Some Good Friends that help me get it :) See Ya Soon :) Daniel -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 00:06:53 -0300 From: "cdrv" <cdrv@arnet.com.ar> To: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Paper Moon Hi Guys! Here are some lyrics i wrote for something Kinda like a little Vocal Interlude or something :) I did not want to face it but when the eyes don't see the heart does sight. It kept on Shining Like a minute falling star. And I cast 3 wished upon it's light. Then kept it in my pocket for a while. You said It was only a Paper Moon and not much. And even Though, It didn't much reality anymore, I laid it lonely in my bedroom floor Hope to hear your thoughts on it :) See Ya :) Daniel -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:40:31 -0600 From: "Cornflake Girl" <renata@frowl.org> To: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: meet and greets Hi! I'm new here... er, I've been a fan of Tori for a few years now, and I'm going to see her in concert for the first time on Friday, which I'm very excited about! But I have a quick question that I hope someone here can help me with. There's going to be a meet and greet at Borders in Chicago that Friday, and it says that you need to bring a Borders receipt at 8AM to get a pass, and the first 150 people will receive them. I was just wondering how early people will start getting there... like, should I get there at 7:30, or do people wait out overnight, like for RENT? (Yeah, I waited 30 hours in downtown Chicago for RENT tickets... good times, good times ^_^) Anyway, I just would be really excited to meet Tori, and I'd like to be relatively sure of getting a pass. Thanks for any info! ~renata~ "The best thing you've ever done for me/ is to help me take my life less seriously/ It's only life after all" -- The Indigo Girls, "Closer to Fine" -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:53:01 -0500 From: "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com> To: "Dipfucks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: my first time man, do you know I've never listened to Liz Phair's second album? awww, Simon. I love Corgys. a friend of a friend has one, and his name is Frodo. :) Cyndi axed about our first Tori concert experience. WELL. have I told this story before? it was an unbelievably crappy, disappointing thing. I was a senior in high school, it was the Plugged Tour and I went with a couple of friends from Governor's School (one of which wasn't even a Tori fan but spent the money to come see it with me and held my hand the entire time). Bethelem, PA, at Lehigh University (i forget where). anyway, security was incredibly tight, and I was trying to sneak in my mom's camera in (for what, i don't know, my seats were really crappy and Tori was a tiny, tiny dot), and i didn't have it hidden very well, and the guy who was searching me found it, this big black guy, and he got up in my face, screaming at me, "What's this?" (as if i didn't know). so i had to borrow my friend Amy's keys and went back out to the parking lot to put my camera in her car and then realized that i didn't remember what her car looked like. so there i was, wandering the parking lot, crying, on a night that was supposed to be the best night of my life. i did eventually get back in (after having to stand in the security line again, by myself), and found my friends. I barely remember the concert, i was still so upset. so yeah, it was not the greatest of experiences. I came thisclose to see her on the DDI tour. i would've rather that been my first experience. but oh well. -bethany ps. I would also like to lodge a complaint against the onslaught on articles that i have been posted round here lately...is there any way to just post a link to the article, rather than post the entire article? _______________________________________________________________ a journal : http://hejira.u-town.com the centralia project : http://centralia.u-town.com "Why keep a journal? To stop time. To make a point about the pointlessness of it all. To have company. To be remembered. For there is so much to be recalled, with no one to do the recalling." (Ned Rorem) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 01:17:32 +0800 From: "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Scarlet walks (in a crowd ) I was undecided, originally, about whether to go see Tori on this tour (for financial reasons), but I'm glad that I decided to go, since I can't wait to hear what the songs on "Scarlet's Walk" sound like without all the twinkly guitars and the echoey percussion and extra keyboards and the strings and the thousands of voices (by the way, how come she sings everything herself? I think a little harmony from somebody else might be nice once in a while, a little more variety of voices -- after all, the Indigo Girls have other people sing on specific songs on their albums, and they have twice as many voices as Tori to start with) on the album. I wouldn't complain if she played this whole album in concert and didn't play any of the old favorites. I really want to hear these songs with a (comparatively) bare-bones arrangement, and I suspect I'll like them better that way. Arija asked: > (side note: why is it so important to have to SEE during a > concert - it's the music you're going for, isn't it? Well, part of the experience is the show, otherwise you'd just get a bootleg from a friend and skip the concert and save the money. And performers say a lot about themselves by how they present themselves. Listening to early Roxy Music, they sounded very aggressive and dissonant and chaotic, and it put a whole different spin on the sound when you saw Bryan Ferry doing the twist languidly in his dinner jacket. > they were unhindered by security. When I saw her at Jones Beach she had to tell the security guards to cool out before they'd let people alone. It was a great moment of Tori standing up for her fans. > he was rapt, that tori's vocals and piano technique (he's a pianist) I've said it before and I'll say it again. She's a very good singer (noticeably better on the last tour than before), but she's a *great* pianist. I'm sorry that doesn't show more on this album. > the way she interacted with the band was more than enough to keep him > spellbound. She runs the show up there, doesn't she? I love to watch it. It always strikes me so funny that some people have this idea of her that she's so spacey and elfin and out of it, and I always say, "you've never seen her perform live, have you?" and they never have. On a stage, she's about as spacey as General Patton (or Mick Jagger). As B/4, John -------------------- "American scholars wanted to remove his most significant life in Cuba and donated his open access to the country's patron saint, the Virgin Jenny, the granddaughter of chapters, raw fragments of longtime editor in fiction." -- from text 11/14/2002 -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:59:14 -0500 From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: I Know! I know! Matt asked: >>and what i'm wondering is, who's Laura mars, and alfie? probably a ref erence i should have got, but i'm afraid not - anyone care to enlighten me?<< I believe Alfie is from the 60's song --"What's it all about Alfie? You can tell me Alfie" about a man asking a woman about love and life and why she is so sad but smiles (I don't remember how the lyrics go). Laura Mars is (part) name of a movie staring Gary Buesy and I think Fay Dunaway about a rapist and the woman who loves him. Decent movie. My first Tori concert: 1994, Tower Theatre Philly. I knelt by the stage for the entire of "Bells for Her" with a rose in my hand and Tori sang it to my eyes for a good bit of it. I also met a really nice dude with an English accent that night at the sound board. I think his name was Mark something and he was very nice to me. ;) Watching final videos last night from last year (to show us what to aspire to) and my fave was "Words are Meaningless". Tori doing Enjoy the Silence to pics of girls and women with the horrible names they had been called superimposed over them (and the "in my arms" part had them all hugging themselves and each other). My final vid is going to use the Precious Strings version of Precious Things with ocean waves behind it (I'm getting ready to mix music!). It's going to be "A Day in Atlantic City" with video and dig stills of sunrise to sunset and the things I saw on the beach and boardwalk. I'll be glad when it's done. I hate doing video with a passion and this is probably the hardest B I'll ever earn. Got's to run! Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when Everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say And I have always been a Fairy. www.bethcoulter.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:55:44 +0800 From: "John Bragazzi" <wasserman@operamail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: In response to Erika's question Top Ten Reasons that Boys for Pele is my favorite Tori Amos album: 10. The title. 9. The harpsichord, both the fact of it and the way she plays it. 8. It's sort of the Tori equivalent to "Hissing of Summer Lawns" (which is my favorite Joni Mitchell album) 7. Best cover photo of any Tori album. Best cover of any Tori album. 6. It's her most musically adventurous and sonically interesting work ever. 5. Steve Caton. 4. Marianne/Caught a Lite Sneeze/Muhammed My Friend - my favorite three-song segue on any Tori album (except possibly for Tear In Your Hand/Me And A Gun/Little Earthquakes) 3. The arrangements are so spare and so beautiful. Any instrument beyond Tori's own keyboard is always perfectly placed, and never more than it should be. It really puts the focus on the songs and the singer and the pianist. 2. It has a terrific beginning. 1. It was my first (and, you know, your first is always special). As B/4, John -------------------- "I know my own, in these hands I could trust. Much earlier, the alarm broke us. The more I think, two people together at your desk for hours. I know when housework seems the only outlet. Come into my room, where I've been you. Your lip curling at what, discarded poems scattered everywhere. What is burning its way out? The world into words? 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