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Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 02 : Issue #1769
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Tori Amos, "Thoughts"
In this issue:
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bitches ain't nothing but hoes and t [ "Dani Ringrose" <chronic_sublime@ho ]
Some more of my Christmas Eve [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ]
julie, omg [ "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlif ]
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:16:24 +1000
From: "Dani Ringrose" <chronic_sublime@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: bitches ain't nothing but hoes and tricks
There were two posts in a recent digest that turned my head regarding rap
and hip hop. Guess it takes an opportunity to talk about bloody Eminem again
to drag me out of lurkdom.
Cyndi wrote:
"o_O no, no, no, no, NO. all they rap about anymore is money,
cars, and pussy--need I say more? They have less to say than the rock
scene, and THAT'S BAD! what's worse is I USED TO LOVE RAP!!!"
Cyndi, maybe you're not searching further than the charts for all your rap
needs. Off the top of my head, there were two rap artists this year who
released phenomenal albums that don't exactly concern themselves too much
with "money, cars and pussy": Jurassic 5 (with "Power in Numbers") and
Public Enemy (with "Revoverlution"). Indeed, Jurassic 5 seem to want to
distance themselves from the current trend in hip hop towards "money cars
and pussy", as evidenced by their chorus for their recent single, "What's
Golden":
"We're not balling, or shot calling
We take it back to the days of yes y'all-in'
We holding onto what's golden
On a stage I rage and I'm rollin'"
Or perhaps the fact that Public Enemy, a group that most people would
classify as "old school", and one I've been consistently and loudly
listening to since 1991, can release an album this year and have its
politically-charged lyrics questioned and censored (cf MTV banning "Gotta
give the peeps what they need"). This in a year that Cyndi lamented was full
of rap artists that have "less to say" compared to the rock scene.
Ok, perhaps you'll argue that Jurassic 5 and Public Enemy aren't exactly Top
10 material, that the only rap that gets any exposure is Nelly and his
calibre. That the stuff he sings about it what is the most popular, and
that's what you've got the problem with. I don't have any easy answers to
that, particularly when I have trouble identifying it as a chicken vs the
egg scenario: did the culture that spawned these saucy lyrics come first, or
did these saucy lyrics spawn a new culture?
I'll admit the reason why my head turns to most hip hop music is mostly
because of the music, the beats, the bass. I am predominantly drawn to
rhythm in music, and through the years, it's mostly rap and electronica
that stays in my stereo. On the radio, I'll sometimes catch the lyrics, and
just marvel at the rhythm and rhymes that rap artists come up with. Eminem
is always the example I seem to use, but I can go through most rap artists'
catalogues and find stellar examples of rhymes that have amazing cadences,
rhythms, syncopations, and so on.
Okay then, what about rap music from the 80s and 90s? In NWA, Dr Dre wrote
lyrics that raised issues of racism ("Fuck tha Police", "Niggaz 4 Life"),
but I doubt you'd find many songs of his containing such issues today.
Admittedly, NWA also released songs like "She Swallowed It", a precursor to
Dr Dre's "Fuck You" and Eazy E's "Gimmee that Nutt". But honestly, I don't
think rap music lyrics are getting worse, somehow, which is what Cyndi seems
to be lamenting.
I sit in a position where I might occasionally have issue with the actual
content of the lyrics, but I still enjoy listening to the music all the
same. I'll admit that my rap leanings tend heavily towards Eminem, Public
Enemy, Dr Dre (and NWA) and the Beastie Boys, but I will also admit to
downloading a grab-bag of Top 40 rap that I probably would never have bought
in the first place, Nelly being a prime example. I'll listen to it, but not
with the same dedication as I would the above artists. I love rap music
because it just happens to be the stuff that makes my ears the happiest. I
also love the artists themselves, but it doesn't mean I necessarily champion
these people for the topics they write about.
I'll also admit that Eminem's "Kim" is one song that has the ability to
freak me out as much as Tori's "Me and a Gun", but for obviously different
reasons. Hell, I can't even listen to MAAG most of the time. But with "Kim",
I find that it's a song that I'll occasionally turn up really loudly on the
highway, and scream along with it. I think it's some of the most arresting
stuff ever released, and it freaks me out to the bone. But I'll still listen
to it, and I still like it, for similar reasons that I like MAAG even though
I can't listen to it much at all.
Or rather, to counteract what Julie H wrote about her friend Derek's
admiration of Eminem: "I just wish Derek would understand that what Eminem
says in many of his songs are some of the most terribly homophobic, hateful
lyrics ever and that Eminem is just awful." Despite the belief that I have
that a lot of his lyrics aren't seeped in homophobia (a different argument
altogether though), I can understand that a lot of Eminem's lyrics are
"hateful", but that isn't going to stop me from thinking he's making
fantastic music. Public Enemy are quite clear in their lyrics about the
things they hate and despise about American society; are you going to call
them "hateful" as well?
To end on a "light" note, I'm presenting an example of lyrics that I find
horrendously offensive, yet clever in the rhythms and rhyme schemes used
throughout, I give to you Dre's "Housewife", from "2001":
"Now we got beef,
he caught up in the hoe's erotica
Exotic - she's psychotic, rockin his Nautica
Soon he'll need antibiotics
Name a sexual disease,
she got it like Sam Goody
You be like,
"Damn how could she
hit me off with chlamydia?"
Fool I pity ya
We live in the city off,
ballers with more bouncin than a Zapp,
she will doo-wah-diddy-ya
Prettier to grittier, the wittier can get her ..." (etc etc; you can't make
a ho a housewife, etc etc).
I'm curious, Cyndi, to find out what rap music you -did- listen to before
you threw your hands in the air and declared it "bad". Hip hop 2002 is not
vacant, hot air, you just have to listen a little closer.
Pop that coochie,
Dani.
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dani@conditioned.org
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:00:37 -0600
From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: Some more of my Christmas Eve
12/26/02
9:53 pm
Well, after I wrote that e-mail about the My So-Called Life DVD that my
brother and I watched I went in my mom's room and Andy was there too. We
just chatted. Anyways, I got Selmasongs, the Dancer In The Dark album by
Bjork. Anyways, my brother said, "Well, since you have the soundtrack
album, are you gonna see the movie?" And I said, "No, I still don't wanna
see it." I know, this might sound kinda strange, but when my mom and
brother explained some of it a while back, I knew that I couldn't handle
that movie. I mean, if someone's being blamed for something they didn't do
and then get punished for it...that's just too much for me, that's complete
frustration...I mean, I'm not THAT delicate of a person, I just don't wanna
see anything in that matter. As they explained more about the movie and the
plot, I wished that hadn't told me...it really made me sad-sick. I mean,
don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's a great movie and it sounds like it was
very well done but I don't want to see that...it would be just way too much
for me. So, I was pissed that my brother and mom told me that and my
brother thought I was upset because he told me and that I was blaming him.
Well, the thing is, I kinda was blaming him when all he was doing was trying
to make me understand the album better. We had quite an argument and while
this was going on I was shaking my head thinking how fucking dumb this is to
argue about me not seeing a movie and him telling me about it and me getting
mad because he told me the plot that I didn't want to hear on CHRISTMAS EVE
of all nights! After a few more arguments of coming back and forth into
that room for me, the last time I went in there I apologized to my brother
for blaming him and we resolved things. Of course I felt hella akward
because my brother and I hardly EVER fight, it was better though, we watched
Jerry Springer and made fun of the people. The next day was fine, we went
to my friend, Dan's house for Christmas Day and had a good time.
AHH, that was so fucking dumb, I swear, if that stupid fight never happened
it would be so good...Well, I guess I can't say that right away, because
everything is for a reason and it helped me learn.
Julie H.
E-mail & MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com
MTV Member: JulieH214
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:25:27 -0800
From: "ms. jessica parsons" <fullblownlife@hotmail.com>
To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org
Subject: julie, omg
ok i'd like to say julie h. is the coolest person ever. WORSHIP HER! she
likes norah jones (i just got that cd!!) and she loves my so-called life!
that's the best fuckin show on tv ever except for the sopranos. i have 6
episodes on tape that i've watched over 500 times and have each line
memorized. i never tire of it even though they're all 15 and i'm 24. teenage
angst is always easy to relate to. god bless the creators of that show. i
wrote ABC a bunch of letters yelling at them before it went off the air.
rock on julie for liking MSCL and Norah Jones.
love you all,
jessica
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