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RDT Right Now #1789

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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 03 : Issue #1789 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o Persona [ "J. Mathers" <jmathers@westol.com> ] Experiencing gold dust [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] tori in spokane, wa - april 8 [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ] uncharacteristically long post. [ "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com> ] 4th row center! [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] Always close [ "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> ] Yellow to Orange to Red...What color [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ] Fwd: Speak out against Fear Mongerin [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ] spokane on-sale date [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ] Re: spokane on-sale date [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ] tori in tulsa - march 23 [ dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> ] [ =======================> In RDT History <======================= ] day off To read more about these items, visit the list archives. [ ================================================================== ] Today's fuzzy ferret assistant: Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:47:58 -0500 From: "J. Mathers" <jmathers@westol.com> To: <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Persona One of the basic questions facing us is "What exactly am I?" Are we simply a community of cells creating an illusion of identity? Are we a child of God with an everlasting soul? Or are we somewhere in-between? For one thing we are actually two parts. One is reality. This is exactly what we are. Tori in her deluxe version calls us a composite of all the people we ever interacted with. This is a combination of our instincts and all our history. This is the base person that drives us minute to minute. The second part is what we project to the outside world. We call this persona. This can be a make believe world but it is our opinion of what we should be to be accepted by the world. RDT is a convenient place since you can project any persona since sight or sound will not compromise it. All we see of you is words typed into a computer. The record companies are heavily involved in persona. In many cases they take a rather boring workaholic artist and create a persona. There are record executives who are wealthy because they created the right persona at the right time. The artist get wealthy maintaining their persona and their real self never meets the eye. There was a special on VH1 a few weeks ago that that I suspect existed for no other reason then to verify that the persona for Pink actually meets her real personality. Another interesting case is that of Avril Laviqne. Her whole career is that her persona is real while Brittany Spears was not. The song "I'm With You" is getting a lot of air play now. I am getting something else out of that song rather than her official persona. The video seems to be a mismatch but it is what sells (shades of The Big Picture). She sang gospel at one point in her career. "I'm With You" is presented at a young male fantasy but it could be a gospel song depending who is meant by "You". Her other song "Complicated" is about a boyfriend experimenting with his persona and doing more harms that good. The big thing now seems to change the persona of previous teen stars to the mid-twenty sex image. It is difficult to change a persona mid-stream but they are trying their best but they are having some credibility problems trying to perform this update. Is Brittany a virgin or not or was she ever one or who cares. Tori has had three personas. In the YKTR days she as a rock chick and that was a total mismatch and the whole effort failed. In the LE days she became a weird chick with total access to her most imitate secrets and this was highly successful. If anything, we got too much of Tori's real person. Tori got married and had a child. Now she is a very private wife and mother and a true professional. At last I suspect this persona is matching reality. Remember that it is her persona that draws the fans to meet and greets. Persona is critical in the dating world. We are drawn to a mate by persona. The sad part is that people can create a persona not linked to their real self. For our personal self, we get lost in our persona so much that we sometimes lose our real self. This can lead to our lives being a continuous lie and result in great frustration. Once a marriage takes place, we cannot maintain their persona for long. Once their real person comes out, is this acceptable to their mate? This is why so many marriages fail. Our parents largely define the real person in us. They interacted heavily with us in those formative years. They are imbedded in us. For us males, our father is imbedded in us as with females and their mothers. Words of advice to our dating males, if you are dating a girl and cannot stand her mother, for God sake do not marry her. In 20 years you are married to your mother-in-law. (Madison Avenue has a beer commercial on this!) Most of your wife's persona disappears and her mother imbedded in her comes out. The new generation has realized this. Live together for a while and see what actually is there. No more grand illusions built on persona but we need to see what we are committing ourselves to. The Hindu world has realized that and a mate is arranged from the real person determined by the family. Last weekend I visited my daughter and to my horrors discovered my mother-in-law was recreated again into another generation. I spent a weekend with two mother-in-laws. 30 years from now I am sure another generation of my mother-in-law will exist. Judy is expecting in March was in the hospital with high blood pressure just like her mother was a generation before. A few weeks ago I got into an exercise in persona. The selection of an automobile is all about persona. The automobile is an extension of your body and becomes "you" on the highway. Its selection allows you to project any persona you want. The automobile companies exist to best serve their niche. That is, to serve the community that wants to project a common persona. Physical reality fits in there by how much you can afford and in my case, 6'5", what best fits you. But the automobile manufacturers spend vast money on the media creating a persona for their product. I was driving a VW Jetta but my family did not fit into the thing. A few years ago an evil Toyota dealer got me into an Avalon and I have been discontent ever since. I went into a massive right brain left brain dialog about luxuries and persona. The power to the checkbook won out and I got a cheaper car. However, the dialog never let up and a few weeks I changed persona to an Avalon person. My father always had a big car and I always wanted to be different. Now instead of being a young hotshot I am an older rich person. I had to really look in the mirror and figure what I am. It took me 62 years to finally realize that I am my father. My family for better or worst will have to put up with this. I am tired of fighting it and am going on with life and having a big car as my dad. We all have to dig into ourselves and discover what we are. So just what are you? Is our persona working? Just what is your real person? After all of your Christmas presents promising a new you (persona), has your persona changed? More questions for you to answer. Have to end. Jim Mathers jmathers@westol.com Footnote: Are any of the RDT'ers going to the Pittsburgh show? If you see a 6'5" bald 62 year old there, you can almost be certain it is me. See you there unless my daughter does her thing then. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 08:10:18 -0600 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Experiencing gold dust 2/6/03 8:02 am Hey Really Deep Thinkers, I experienced gold dust last night. I was organizing my droors and I was going through old notes. It was really emotional because I miss Nicole and Deanna so much. They totally did me wrong, but my heart is just aching because of their stabs from my back through my heart. I was looking at old pictures and buliding up more of my scrapbook. Even this morning, my mom was telling me how she cannot understand why Deanna stabbed me like that after I'm the only one of her friends that cared about her. See, I'm not sure what grade we were in but it was either 5th or 6th grade and Deanna was saying that she had to move to Chicago. I was so sad I cried. I gave her a present and wrote her a letter of farewell and as my mom was taking her home. My mom said, "That's so sad that you have to move away. I bet your friends are really sad." and she was like, "Well, Juile's the only one who cares that I'm leaving." and she said that in a crying voice. I just can't believe she did that to me. It's like, wouldn't you wanna hang out to the people who care about you, especially when I'm the only fucking one who did! So, I guess gold dust can bring a lot of things. Sad, good memories, and anger. Gotta go. PEACE Current mood: Tired, anxious, worried, hot Current sounds/music: People talking, me typing Current place: My school library Julie H. E-mail & MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com MTV Member: JulieH214 AOL IM: JulieH0214 Yahoo! IM: Juls21487 _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:15:13 -0500 From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, ustour@torithoughts.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, toriphery@groups.msn.com Subject: tori in spokane, wa - april 8 bravo entertainment is now listing a show at the spokane opera house in spokane, washington on tuesday, april 8th. http://www.bravobsp.com/index.cfm?action=CalendarDetail&ThisEventID=255 Artist: Tori Amos Event Date: 04/08/03 Onsale Date: 02/21/03 10 AM Venue: Spokane Opera House Spokane, WA Event Openers: Event Price: $35.00 Doors Open: 6:30 pm Show Time: 7:30 pm Ticket URL: Ticketswest -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:17:43 -0500 From: "Bethany Rusen" <hejira@u-town.com> To: "Dipfucks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: uncharacteristically long post. okay, this is from like forever ago, but i think it's still timely: Linda said: "I love the little bits of talking in the background on the SfE mix, too... I always go for that sort of thing, like in the "just another drive" remix of Hey Pretty, by Poe, where her brother reads the passage from House of Leaves. *So orgasmic*." (Linda was talking about the Song For Eric mix, btw) If you like that sort of thing, you should check out the rest of Kevin Moore's music...he uses non-music audio clips from various sources in many of his songs. Some of them are insanely beautiful (the song "Wednesday the Sky" probably ranks with my top ten favorite songs ever). Megan said: "It may just be me, but does anybody else listen to Scarlet's Walk and picture the whole thing being a musical? I can imagine the scene for each song and I believe it would play out very nicely. Wednesday, especially, just sounds like a show tune to me. That was how the thought originally came about. Maybe?" Oh, totally. I was actually wishing that maybe Tori would make some of sort of feature length music video for the album (I actually wish she would've done that for BfP, too). Wishful thinking, I know. But you know, in several interviews she's said that she was interested in doing a musical or something like that. I think that could be really interesting. I hope she and Neil Gaiman collaborate more extensively in the future. they complement each other well. speaking of musicals (i know Violet will love me for this), I am absolutely dead obsessed with Hedwig and the Angry Inch. My roommate borrowed it from a friend of hers about a week ago, and i watched it about five times in that week. this is pretty unusual, considering 99.9% of the movies i see i never want to see again. Not that they're bad movies, or that i didn't like them, but i just don't feel like sitting through them again. come to think of it, i don't think i've EVER watched one movie five times in a week (unless you counted that Apollo 13 marathon my sister and I did in the summer of 96 where we watched it so many times that we could recite the dialogue verbatim). anyway. Hedwig. SUCH AN AWESOME MOVIE. amazing music. AMAZING music. there. I've said my piece. oh, and in case anyone was interested, these were my grades for last semester: Advanced Wheel Work and Throwing : A Advanced Ceramics : A- (curses!) Figure Modeling : A Field Internship, Ceramics : A Current mood: Generally contented though slightly perturbed by the fact that my back is fucking killing me since I slipped in the shower yesterday morning. Current sounds/music: the 11 o'clock news. 6ABC, how love thee.... Current place: My living room, with unvaccumed ugly ass brown carpet with that, she was gone. -bethany _______________________________________________________________ a journal : http://hejira.u-town.com "Life is more important than art. That's what makes art so important." (John Malpede) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 07:59:24 -0600 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: 4th row center! 2/7/03 7:58 am Oh my gosh, someone sitting by me smells like completely awful B.O...it's terrible! I can barely breathe! Anyways, my brother, my brother's boyfriend, my brother's friend, and I are going to another Tori concert and we got 4th row center! I'm so excited!!!!!!!!! Current mood: Happy Current sounds/music: People talking, me typing Current place: My school library Julie H. E-mail & MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com MTV Member: JulieH214 AOL IM: JulieH0214 Yahoo! IM: Juls21487 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 08:12:08 -0600 From: "Julie H." <julieh214@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: Always close 2/7/03 7:59 am For some reason Ramon, a guy I used to hangout with is always really close by when I'm in the library. Either right next to me or diagnal. I think the only reason I like him is because he's hillarious though... So, there's this guy named, Alejandro in my gym class...he looks so unbelievably similar to David. It's killin' me because they are both absolutely fiiiiiiiiiine! I hope Alejandro's nice, but I don't even know if I want to get involved with him. I'm really not looking for a steady boyfriend. I just love flirting. Yesterday, one of David's friends said, "Do you still talk with David? You 2 were such good friends last year." Friends, it was strange that people were referring to us as "friends"...well, I guess, what else could you call us...we weren't boyfriend and girlfriend, but there was definitely something going on. I wonder if he still talks or thinks about me... Every single dream I've had in the last few monthes have been in a way repetitive but never boring. Nicole and I being back friends again. Just seeing her face again and being with her in the dream makes me feel whole again. I miss her so much...but in a way, I wouldn't want her back unless she was apologetic to me for what she did and matured more. It takes a closer tie with a person to let them know about my experience with Nicole in detail...I've been telling Emma some more true stories about my life. She's becoming a good friend of mine. These 2 girls, Elena and Maria are huge workoholics. They work even when they have absolutely no energy! I feel really bad for them. Maria even said that she hasn't done anything social since she was like 11 and she's 17 going on 18 now. Elena is 19. I started a notebook with Emma to pass back and forth, also with Brittany. I'm really hoping neither of them, including myself lose it because I have a feeling it's gonna get personal when it comes to the writing. So, there's this fucking annoying guy in my world history class that always stares at me and he gets on my nerves and kinda freaks me out when he does that, so a few times I just say, "Stop staring at me!" or "Why are you staring at me?" He does have some mental problems so I understand that it's not always intentional I guess. But when he gets mad at someone he always either tries to bump them or trip them. He tried to trip me, but I didn't and he bumped my shoulder. He was also doing that to one of my friends, Maritza, and lemme tell ya, she doesn't fuck around! She will mess him up! She almost knocked him out with a stapler yesterday but the teacher stopped her. So, there's this really nice, fine guy in my study hall, but I'm not sure if I wanna be with him...I think I'll just have fun flirting with him. I hope I kiss a really fine guy on my birthday - Valentine's Day. I hope someone sends me those singing valentines or a card or a rose or a carnation or candy or something romantic like that...even though I don't have a boyfriend. I even hope for a secret admirer, but only if I'll like the person. HOPEFULLNESS...ah, what do you do... Current mood: Happy, tired Current sounds/music: People talking, my typing Current place: My school library Julie H. E-mail & MSN IM: JulieH214@hotmail.com MTV Member: JulieH214 AOL IM: JulieH0214 Yahoo! IM: Juls21487 _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:56:22 -0500 From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Yellow to Orange to Red...What color comes next... Black for Mourning? Thanks to Master Chris for making me put my thoughts into words. Thanks to all for the support for my thoughts. The newspapers wouldn't publish what I wrote, so I wrote something else. www.Moveon.org is doing a massive grassroots campaign for the next two weeks. Go there and sign up to devote one day to protest this prestrike action. Just because Bush didn't say the words "I declare War" doesn't mean he didn't declare war Thursday Afternoon. Just read between the lines. Everyone should chew on this, keeping in mind that the greatest strategy games were created by bored Middle Easterns who will play a game of chess for years, because the game is more important than the outcome. To the Editor and Citizens of the World: I protest the war because war will only inflame the issue. Saddam is interested in playing a game. With continual pressure from the international community via inspectors, he will need to spend all his time hiding his "toys". He won't have the opportunity to use them, or sell them to others to use. He will play his game and think he's clever and be a happy little dictator until he dies. But if we try to disarm him, he will be cornered and be forced to use his little toys, which will kill and injure millions eventually. I believe a cold war would be better for the earth. But George Bush has a need to win, just like a little boy. I find it significant that he declared war by saying "the game is over." He can't play the game, and he can't stand to have a draw. So he'll bully his way into winning, and we will ALL lose because of it. This is not the Gulf War. This is the beginning of WW III, and we will all glow before it's over. That's why I protest the war. I hope you will also. Jessica, welcome to the dark side. I was wondering why you've sounded so much more logical in the past couple of months. Pot gets you high and makes you blow things off, but apparently it also makes you think really deep thoughts. Congrats for your new self-awareness. We can change the world by changing the world. Don't think about it, just do it. If each one of us decided to make the world better by being better people, the world would be damn near perfect. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when Everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say And I have always been a Fairy. www.bethcoulter.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 16:53:40 -0500 From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Fwd: Speak out against Fear Mongering To all My Friends, President Bush said something very frightening yesterday. He said the game is over. I believe the next time we hear from him, his words will be "We are at war". I am forwarding what I feel is an important message from MoveOn.org. The only thing I would like to add to it is that I personally believe Saddam has almost everything he is accused of having and he will use them if we attack. He will not use them so long as the inspectors are keeping him moving and hiding, and he cannot sell them with the inspectors putting heat on him. We need to let our government know that we as citizens cannot support this war, and will not support this war, until the UN has decided that is the only way to respond to the threat. Please read this attached letter, and I apologize for the bandwidth waste if you find you don't agree. Peace, Beth It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. --Aristotle www.bethcoulter.com Dear MoveOn member, 70 years ago, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt gave his inaugural address. It contained a phrase which has reverberated ever since: for our nation, Roosevelt said, "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself." Times have changed. On Wednesday, Secretary of State Colin Powell addressed the UN Security Council. Scripted to play well on the evening news -- the presentation was more for the benefit of the American public than for the Security Council -- Powell made a forceful argument that Iraq is being deceitful about its weapons of mass destruction. He had pictures. He had a vial of white powder. He had diagrams showing links between various terrorist cells. Powell looked like a rational man making a rational case. But by any legal or scientific standards, the evidence was shaky and marginal. Rather than relying on solid facts, Powell chose an emotional route: he played to fear. Powell and Bush know that they can't win over the American people on the merits of this war, because it just doesn't make sense. But if folks are scared enough of Saddam, they'll back it. Fear mongering is unacceptable. It's no way to lead a country. Please write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper today, explaining why you disagree with Powell's approach. We've included some samples below. A flood of letters could help remind the American public that there are alternatives to a policy of fear. Nowhere is that policy more transparent than in Powell's and the Bush Administration's repeated assertions that there are links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda. Ever since September 11th, President Bush has been looking for a way to link Iraq to those attacks. A link would allow the President to direct the nation's fear of al-Qaeda against Iraq -- an easier target for military action. But despite enormous efforts in the CIA and FBI, not a shred of real evidence has emerged. In a recent article, the New York Times reported that some CIA and FBI staffers have even made complaints that sketchy intelligence was being employed for political purposes. "'We've been looking at this hard for more than a year and you know what, we just don't think it's there,' a government official said." (The article is linked to below.) President Bush and his administration are trying to manipulate us. They are trying to use fear of terrorism and anger about September 11th to strong-arm a war that has nothing to do with either. We will not let them. And we will not let Colin Powell distract us from the possibility of a peaceful resolution through continued strong inspections. In a speech today, chief weapons inspector Hans Blix said "successful disarmament of Iraq was possible without Baghdad's active cooperation, but it would be faster with Iraq's help." (See below for the article about this statement.) Even if Saddam continues to play games, in other words, we can win this one without war. An article by two of the nation's foremost foreign policy experts affirms this point. In Foreign Policy magazine, John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt argue that Saddam can be contained. "Today, Iraq is weakened, its pursuit of nuclear weapons has been frustrated, and any regional ambitions it may once have cherished have been thwarted. We should perpetuate this state of affairs by maintaining vigilant containment, a policy the rest of the world regards as preferable and effective. Saddam Hussein needs to remain in his box -- but we don't need a war to keep him there." (Article linked to below.) We know that Saddam Hussein is a terrible man. We know he plays games. And it's possible that he has some bad weapons. But all that was true in the mid-1990s, when inspectors destroyed nearly all of his weapons and put an end to his nuclear development program. According to most reports, 95% of Saddam's weaponry was destroyed at that time. Then the inspectors were pulled out. Now inspectors are back in there. Let's get that last 5%. Our President and his cabinet have demonstrated that they are willing to resort to demagoguery. In a rush to war, they are using deception, omission, misinformation, and fear mongering. We will use the simple truth. Inspections can disarm Saddam. The inspectors know it, other countries know it, and history proves it. Please write a letter to the editor today. You'll find samples below. Fear is powerful, but hope is stronger. There is still real hope that we can disarm Iraq without anyone dying. Sincerely, --Eli Pariser International Campaigns Director MoveOn.org February 7th, 2003 _____________ LINKS TO ARTICLES MENTIONED SPLIT AT C.I.A. AND F.B.I. ON IRAQI TIES TO AL QAEDA By JAMES RISEN and DAVID JOHNSTON The New York Times February 2nd, 2003 http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/02/international/middleeast/02INTE.html BLIX SAYS IRAQ MAKING EFFORT, BUT WANTS MORE Reuters February 7, 2003 http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L07486666 AN UNNECESSARY WAR By JOHN J. MEARSHEIMER and STEPHEN M. WALT Foreign Policy Magazine http://www.foreignpolicy.com/wwwboard/walts.html ________________ WRITE LETTERS The key talking points we want to get across are: - By playing to fear rather than facts, Powell failed to make the case for war. - The inspections are working. They can disarm Saddam. - The President still has not made the case for war. We provide example letters below. Feel free to mine them for good points or to follow the general arguments of the letters, but we strongly recommend that you use your own words. Make sure you include your name and telephone contact information on the email to your local paper. They won't publish the phone number, but may want to call you to confirm that the letter has been submitted by a local reader. Please let us know about your letter-to-the-editor at http://www.moveon.org/ltecopy.html We'd like to keep a count and we'd love a copy of your letter. ----------- To the Editor: In his speech at the UN on Wednesday, Secretary of State Colin Powell once again asserted that Saddam Hussein had ties to al Qaeda. Yet even intelligence operatives in the FBI and CIA argue that such ties don't exist. It appears that the President and Secretary Powell are using American's sorrow and fear about September 11th to sell a war on Iraq -- even though the two don't have anything to do with each other. If the President has a case for war against Iraq, he should make it on the basis of facts, not fear. ------------ To the Editor: In his speech to the United Nations on Wednesday, Colin Powell produced a lot of evidence to show that Saddam Hussein is a bad man who may have bad weapons. Powell and the President hope to use this evidence to rally the nation to war. We know Saddam is bad. But he was just as bad in the mid-1990s, when an aggressive series of weapons inspections resulted in the destruction of an enormous portion of his weapons capability. History shows that inspections can disarm Iraq. Let's push for a tough inspections regime and win this one without war. ----------- More sample letters are on our website at: http://www.moveon.org/iraqletters.html ________________ This is a message from MoveOn.org. please visit our subscription management page at: http://moveon.org/s?i=1019-359839-U3OThWO_k5exGG7jRHwTAg -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 17:47:59 -0500 From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, ustour@torithoughts.org Cc: fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, toriphery@groups.msn.com, tori-amos@yahoogroups.com Subject: spokane on-sale date according to the purchase page for the spokane show at ticketswest.com, <url: http://www.ticketswest.com/TW/Events/Performance.asp?Cat1=CON&Cat2=ALT&Cat3=EOAM OS&MP=False >, tickets for this show go on sale on tomorrow! saturday, february 8th at 10am. woj -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 18:03:21 -0500 From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, ustour@torithoughts.org Cc: fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, toriphery@groups.msn.com, tori-amos@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: spokane on-sale date one time at band camp, dances with virgos said: >according to the purchase page for the spokane show at ticketswest.com, ><url: >http://www.ticketswest.com/TW/Events/Performance.asp?Cat1=CON&Cat2=ALT&Cat3=EOA >MOS&MP=False > > >, tickets for this show go on sale on tomorrow! saturday, february 8th > at 10am. i neglected to mention that bravo entertainment still maintains that this show goes onsale on february 21st and that the ticketswest.com phone people say february 14th (thanks to lethargiccats from the forumz for that last bit of information). so, basically, confusion reigns supreme (wouldn't be a tori show without confusion, i guess). anyone looking to go to this show should check the ticketwest url above tomorrow morning just in case the show does go on sale. woj -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 19:28:04 -0500 From: dances with virgos <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, ustour@torithoughts.org Cc: fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, toriphery@groups.msn.com, tori-amos@yahoogroups.com Subject: tori in tulsa - march 23 finally, a listing for tulsa that makes sense! pollstar and, for a brief time last night, toriamos.com still think this show is on march 31. based on a phone call to the brady theatre, as reported on the dent, we already knew the date was march 23...but it's nice to have one of the online listings agree. http://cc.com/detail.asp?eventID=57186 Tori Amos Brady Theater Tulsa, OK March 23, 2003 - 7:30PM Central Doors open 6:30PM On sale February 15, 2003 - 10:00AM All tickets : $ 37.50 All tickets are subject to applicable taxes and service and handling charges. 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