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RDT Right Now #1884

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Do not hit reply to unsubscribe. To unsub, send a message to: <rdtrn-request@torithoughts.org> with "unsubscribe" in the subject and body. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Really Deep Thoughts Right Now Volume 03 : Issue #1884 . o - O - O - O - O - O - O - O - o . o o . o o O "Thoughts right now... O o What will become of me, o o Become of her, become of we?" o . o o . O O O - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - O o . o o o Tori Amos, "Thoughts" In this issue: o-o-o-o-o-o-o quick note to Jim [ Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@ju ] replies [ John Bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.n ] shameless commerce, part 2. [ "Bethany Rose" <hejira@u-town.com> ] the advocate on toal [ fingerpuppets <woj@smoe.org> ] Santa is a fat bastard [ Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net. ] dude, golden girls is on right now [ "jessica parsons" <fullblownlife@ho ] A Christmas Visit from Jolly Old Dic [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ] mail & guardian interview [ fingerpuppets <woj@smoe.org> ] Breaking Up was Hard to do... [ "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.co ] the pushme-pullyu [ John Bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.n ] Missed a digest? Pick up a copy at the RDTRN archives: http://www.torithoughts.org/rdtrn/archives .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. Top 10 Reasons Why Chanukah is better than Christmas 10. There's no "Kathy Lee Gifford Special". , 9. Eight days of presents , , , , | , , , , 8. No need to clean the chimney. | | | | | | | | | 7. There's no latke-nog. | | | | | | | | | 6. Burl Ives doesn't sing Chanukah songs. \ | | | | | | | / 5. You won't be pressured to buy Chanukah '=.J_|_|_|_L.=' Seals. }|{ 4. You won't see, "You're a Putz, Charlie {|} Brown." _}|{_ 3. No barking dog version of "I Had A /_____\ Little Driedl." 2. No pine needles to vacuum up afterwards. 1. Latkes are cheaper to mail than fruitcakes. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:11:48 GMT From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: quick note to Jim okay, okay, okay. so I'm late again. whatever. Jim, you're in my thoughts. I hope your daughter recovers from this fully. *big massive hug* think happy thoughts. not just "I'm a fluffy little bear! ^__^" thoughts but more along the lines of.. ya know.. "she'll get better" thoughts. :) *hug* I never really know what to say about these situations either, everybody, so we can be together in our awkwardness--as long as we just send positive thoughts and prayers (whatever you prefer. :D) to Jim and hope for a speedy recovery for his daughter. ... sound good to you Jim? :D in other news, my freaking computer is dying again.. so my brother attempted to reformat my C drive. so.. I've lost EVERYTHING. *grumble* and that's if the computer didn't back up the files I told it to--to the second hard drive.... let's hope that it did because otherwise, ALL of my pics of various events in my life, ALL of my mp3s, ALL of my emails, and ALL of my stories.. are GONE. *grumble* but I'm hoping for the best. keep your collective heads up. whatever's got us down won't keep us down for long. so on that note, TEENK HAPPY TAWTS! I'll do the replies thing later since tomorrow's my last day of school before next quarter and... YAY! christmaaaaas! *dance*dance*dance*dance*dance*dance*dance* Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford "I know we're dying / and there's no sign of a parachute / we scream in cathedrals / why can't it be beautiful / why does there gotta be a sacrifice?" -- Tori Amos ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:14:33 -0500 From: John Bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.net> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: replies Jim said: > Maybe Judy will walk away from this and we all will be happy. I hope so. Keep us posted as you can. I don't know which is worse, sudden tragedy or lingering uncertainty. I think they're equally awful if the person is young. The sister of a friend of mine had a bad cold a few weeks ago, her husband left the room for a half hour, and when he came back she was dead. Everybody is still in shock, not really grasping that it happened. cheefooska juan said: > everytime i fall in love i (at least) come down with a devastating case > of diarrhea (but i sorta think that's quite common) I knew somebody once who had diarrhea once for a solid month while she wrestled about whether to end a relationship and move out. I thought it was significant that she had a malady which made it difficult to leave the house (she rejects this interpretation). But eventually she packed up her diarrhea and stubbornness and moved out anyway. Then she traveled around the world and got a black belt in karate. We're still good friends, too. As B/4, John -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:05:12 -0500 From: "Bethany Rose" <hejira@u-town.com> To: "Dipfucks" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: shameless commerce, part 2. check it out: http://hejira.u-town.com/knit.html i learned to knit, and now i offer you cute hats for the entire family. please take a look. I'm taking orders for Christmas until Saturday the 20th. if you're interested, please drop a line. with that, she was gone. bethany _______________________________________________________________ a journal : http://hejira.u-town.com she runs through the streets / with her eyes painted red under black belly of cloud in the rain / in through a doorway she brings me White gold and pearls stolen from the sea / she is raging she is raging And the storm blows up in her eyes / she will suffer the needle chill she's running to stand still (U2) -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:51:41 -0500 From: fingerpuppets <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: the advocate on toal <url: http://www.advocate.com/html/stories/905/905_freshear.asp > Twelve discs for giving Special holiday gift guide edition: breaking down a dozen of the season's new greatest hits compilations By Rob Chin An Advocate.com exclusive posted December 15, 2003 Tori Amos o Tales of a Librarian: A Tori Amos Collection (Atlantic) www.toriamos.com www.atlantic-records.com What is it? A "musical autobiography" that retraces Myra Ellen Amos's solo career with a twist: She went back and freshened up the songs specifically for this project. One disc, 20 tracks, plus a DVD. What does it have? Half of her seminal debut, Little Earthquakes, interspersed with one to three selections from each of her subsequent four albums. The remixes of these songs aren't drastic, merely adding melodic flourishes, slightly relayered arrangements, and new vocals (a spoken line in "God," a short coda appended to "Way Down") to bring extra color to the original outlines without redrawing them. After all, why fix what isn't broken? Amos's work has always drawn uniquely devoted fans who will be delighted that such beloved album tracks as "Tear in Your Hand" and "Mr. Zebra" earned a place beside trademark singles "Silent All These Years" and "Cornflake Girl." And tampering with the harrowing a cappella "Me and a Gun" would've been, in a word, sacrilege. What's missing? Since it's not about the hits per se, Tales really can't be judged by that standard. That said, a bucketload of singles was jettisoned, including "China," "Hey Jupiter," "Raspberry Swirl," and "1000 Oceans." Covers album Strange Little Girls is ignored, presumably because those songs aren't part of Tori's own story. Last year's Scarlet's Walk was released on another label, so that's out as well, and anyone who asks about the Y Kant Tori Read material is just trying to be funny. Anything special? Two new songs, "Angels" and "Snow Cherries From France," plus two early B-sides that were fully rerecorded, "Mary" and "Sweet Dreams." Armand van Helden's techno remix of "Professional Widow" stands in for the original. DVD notes: Sound-check footage shows Amos rehearsing three songs not on the audio disc ("Pretty Good Year," "Honey," "Northern Lad"); a fourth ("Putting the Damage On") and "Mr. Zebra" get montage clips. Bottom line: The best of both worlds--musically approachable for newbies, while longtimers who analyze her every word are offered a fresh perspective through this carefully assembled dissertation. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:56:17 +1100 From: Brian Cooper <byteme@smartchat.net.au> To: Really Deep Thrusts Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Santa is a fat bastard I'm not. Well at least not fat. Much. While I was waiting for my flight home from Perth on Tuesday, I was sitting in the departure lounge and a mother walks by with a small boy. The boy looks at me and says, "There's Santa". At first I thought it was amusing, then I really thought about it. I'm not that old. I have a beard but it's close cropped and I've managed to avoid grey hairs so far. While I might be carrying about 5kg more than is ideal, I'm certainly not fat. Saddam after his capture looked more like Santa than I do. It's the first time I've ever heard that one from a kid. There have been a lot of times over the years that kids have pointed to me and said, "Daddy!". For one thing it embarrasses the hell out of the mothers and that I find amusing, but it makes me think theres a body double of me out there having a whole world of fun more than I am. But speaking of that fat bastard, I saw something today that I'd lick his hairy sac for and that was a standard definition PC card TV receiver on a flat panel monitor. I don't think I've ever seen a picture that clear before. The potential of real time video editing from a digital source all the way through to DVD quality output is something to get excited about if you're into that sort of thing. It's not quite on the market yet, but it's the shit. Cyndi - you'll cream yourself when you see this stuff. If not, I'd still settle for a digital set-top box and a LCD TV, or the budget is really tight, a Nikon D100 digital camera. Of course, I really don't expect any of this stuff, but I think a set-top box is at the top of my shopping list. Did anybody think Nell's birthday request for either a pony or a shotgun was a little scary? While at 22 she might be a little old for a pony, I'd rather buy her one over the alternative. Now from before I went away in digest 1880, Gabriela suggested she'd posted her thoughts on "Librarian" before. Since you mentioned it... yah, I recall that, but it was a fair while from the release of it in the rest of the world compared to here, so it just slipped my mind. Your recap was certainly thorough and well thought out. I think from most people's comments so far, consensus would probably be that "Librarian" was found lacking. Either for not enough content or the selection and reworking of content. When doing a compilation album, you're never going to please everyone with the track list but the more perilous path to take is that of reworking. When people have loved a song for 10 years only to find it's different now, you're sure to upset a lot more. But it's also something listeners will come to terms with the more they play it, once the initial shock has worn off. John on the subject of his DVD collection of three... believe me, those things breed like crazy once you let them in the house. I got my first DVD player two years ago and I think it's time I did an audit as I've got no clue how many I've got now. They've certainly made up for my lack of interest in CDs. Bethey - being in love does feel a lot like being sick, at least you don't spend your time sneezing and hacking up your lungs. Give me that over a dose of the flu every time. Wow, there's a lot of sickies on this list at the moment. I'd heard about the flu epidemic in the U.S. at the moment. I'm wondering if it's the same one that was here last winter which I thankfully dodged. The major symptom included firing from both ends at once. It made me happy all I had was a bad sinus infection, but not by much. Best wishes to you and your family, Jim. Adieu, Brian -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:55:35 -0800 From: "jessica parsons" <fullblownlife@hotmail.com> To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: dude, golden girls is on right now thank you to everyone who sent me brithday greetings! i really appreciated all of them. i got a bunch of get fuzzy stuff, a hippo t-shirt that my friend found on ebay, a LOT of alcohol at a bar that night and some running shoes. yeah, i signed up for jogging winter term. i know it will be good for me if a bit tortuous at first. i have to fly to california next week to see my family. :( it will be really stressful and i'm tempted to hire a temporary nurse to go with me and take my blood pressure every half hour to see how high it is due to the insanity of being around my mom and grandparents. ehhh... i got a ticket to see linkin park on valentine's day. i'm SO excited, i love them. if no one hears from me ever again after february 14th it's because i decided to be a linkin park groupie and make love to mike shinoda and joseph hahn for all of eternity, every day at least twice. i got a linkin park calendar and i even joined their fan club! hahaha. the last fan club i joined was new kids on the block when i was about 9. i hope everyone on this list that has the flu is feeling better or gets better really soon. take care. love jessica _________________________________________________________________ Grab our best dial-up Internet access offer: 6 months @$9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:33:05 -0500 From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: A Christmas Visit from Jolly Old Dick http://www.democracymeansyou.com/satire/12-19-03-st.dick.htm by Jane Allen, DMY Poetess 'Twas the night before Christmas, when all 'round the ranch, Not a creature was stirring, not a leaf, nor a branch. The stockings were hung by the Humvee with care In hopes that St. Nicholas soon would be there. The boys were all nestled so smug in their beds, While visions of re-election danced in their heads. And Karl in his kerchief and George in his cap, Had just settled down for a well-deserved nap. When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter, Karl sprang from his bed to see what was the matter. The Secret Service drew their guns, quite certain they were That domestic terrorists threatened their leader so pure. The searchlights illumined the new-fallen snow, Giving sparkle and clarity to objects below. When, what to Karl's wondering eyes should appear, But an enormous sleigh and twelve greedy reindeer. With a stealthy old driver, so lively and quick, Karl knew in a moment it must be Jolly Old Dick. More rapid than stock trades his exhortations came, As he whistled, and shouted, and called each by name. "Now, Diebold! Now, Bechtel! Now, Tyco and Exxon! On, Enron! On, Worldcom! On, Halli and Burton! On, GE! On, Shell! On, Dow and GM! To the top of the mansion, I'll get you all in!" Those reindeer, they struggled. The sleigh was so full! But bound and determined, they all gave a great pull, And up to the rooftop, the greedy, they flew With a sleigh full of presents, and Jolly Dick too. And then, in a twinkling, Karl heard on the roof The impatient pawing of each heavy hoof. As he smiled with relief and was turning around, Down the chimney came Jolly Old Dick with a bound. Dick's eyes were 'a twinkling, his countenance merry, He danced as he sang, "The re-election we will carry." The huge sack he then opened spilled onto the floor, "I bring millions of greenbacks," he crowed, "But there's more." "The children are hungry, I'm hearing their plea. The jobless are struggling, but that's them - not me. They think we don't care, that we never take note, But, help babies and sick grannies?! Heck, they don't vote!" "The glaciers are melting. NAFTA's a joke. Nuclear power's on the upswing. The treasury's broke. The free world now hates us, we go it alone. All tyrants envy our hubris, as we build our own throne." "We're enabling polluters. We're killing the seas. We're drilling Alaska. Enviros are on their knees." "Oh, Dickie," Karl inquired, "What else did you bring? It's been such a good year. Don't we have everything?" "No, Karl," Jolly Dick said. "There's lots more ahead, It's not enough that Americans are hiding under the bed. There will be arsenic and mercury for good girls and boys. Aren't coal mines and slag heaps and oil rigs great toys?" "Dear Dickie," Karl bubbled, "You are such a wag. I can't imagine what else you've got hid in that bag." Dick glowed as he whispered, and in the bag he did reach, "Next, we'll take over the Internet--total war on free speech!" "Blogs will be shut down, we'll do it so fast, Alternate news sources will be a thing of the past. Foreign journals and whistleblowers will be stopped in their tracks. We'll write all our own news and dispense with those hacks." "Freedom of information? Ha!" Dick said with a sway, "We'll stop those annoying questions. No more, no way. Ashy will be tireless as he plugs every leak. He'll cite homeland security for all the info they seek." "We'll make everything secret, we'll do it with ease. All protesters in jail, and their money we'll seize. We'll make every question and dissent a high crime. All our enemies will be silenced, just give me a bit more time." "Congress is our lapdog, the people are asleep. There is much more to do, more promises to keep. The truth we have twisted, the lies we have told, But next year, I promise, we'll be even more bold." "Our cause is so righteous, so just and so true, The Bill of Rights is in our way, but we know what to do. I can't stay much longer," said Old Dick (looking weary), "There's much to be done, and I'm in a great hurry." With a smirk and a leer, Jolly Dick turned around. As he entered the chimney, his feet left the ground. The deer on the rooftop heard Dick say, "My pet, Happy Christmas to us all. The world ain't seen nothin' yet." -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:58:21 -0500 From: fingerpuppets <woj@smoe.org> To: torinews@smoe.org, fiercest clams <precious-things@smoe.org>, rdtrn@torithoughts.org, toriphery@groups.msn.com Subject: mail & guardian interview <url: http://www.chico.mweb.co.za/art/2003/2003dec/031219-tori.html > Talking to Tori Amos can talk about her love of Led Zeppelin being a result of her eastern Cherokee genes and, before you know it, you're discussing land rights. Soulful folk diva Tori Amos talks to Will Hodgkinson "My grandfather would sing to me when I was a baby, and he was part eastern Cherokee," says singer-songwriter Tori Amos, explaining why the music of the North American plains Indians has been such a formative influence on her life. "His grandmother was a Cherokee who escaped the Trail of Tears and ran off into the Smoky Mountains in 1839. So she would tell these stories about the life of her people to my grandfather, who in turn would sing them to me. That experience certainly shaped the way I am today." Americans can say these things in all seriousness and get away with it. Amos can claim a cultural heritage by being one-16th Cherokee Indian, but if I whipped out a fiddle in homage to the fact that my own grandfather was a roving Gypsy before his gammy leg forced him into a life in front of the telly, it would quite rightly be snatched from me and smashed over my head. Yet Amos can talk about her love of Led Zeppelin being a result of her eastern Cherokee genes and, before you know it, you're discussing land rights. "I was exposed to severe church music a little later," continues Amos, whose father is a Methodist minister in Washington DC. "Charles Wesley had an ability to write some wonderful hymns based on old English sea shanties, but the way these songs were delivered . . . it was very rigid and you couldn't find any soulfulness in there. But if I got lucky I would go to the black church down the street, and that was swinging." Perhaps these diverse influences help explain why Amos's own music falls into such a unique place. She claims to have started playing the piano at the age of two-and-a-half, and by five she was studying at a conservatory, getting trained for a career as a classical pianist that she was never to fulfil. Instead, she became a singer-pianist, played around with a variety of images, suffered inevitable comparisons with Kate Bush and relocated to Cornwall in western England with her sound-engineer husband. Now she has released Tales of a Librarian, a greatest-hits album that, with typical eccentricity, has been compiled in accordance with the rules of the Dewey decimal system. "I'd rather tell you about an affair I had than let you know about the records that are on my turntable," Amos announces, countering my request to have a look through her favourites. "It's a very personal thing and I like to keep it close to my chest. But I'll tell you about a few of the things that have passed my way over the years." Amos produces a handful of CDs that she is willing to talk about, including Fleetwood Mac's Rumours, Rickie Lee Jones' self-titled first album and Joni Mitchell's 1968 album Song to a Seagull. Rumours is chosen because it has good production values; Jones because her sultry, bar-room style of storytelling suggests that she has lived a certain life, and Mitchell because she is the one singer-songwriter whose skill surpasses that of all others. "She works with complicated melodies, and her storylines have such a poetic language," says Amos. "Dylan's melodies are really very simple, but hers are intricate. I'm a musician first, not a words person, and am drawn to people who manoeuvre a musical language in a way that I find unusual. There are plenty of people whose attitude I like, who I think have something to say, but few who are building a sonic architecture that hasn't been built before." Mitchell sang about the record industry's Starmaker Machine, something that Amos knows intimately. Before the release of her own first album, 1991's Little Earthquakes, she was told that it would be impossible to market a female singer who plays the piano. The plan was to take all the piano parts off the record and replace them with guitar. "They wanted to create this fictional character of a girl with a guitar, and it almost got to the point where I was quite willing to burn the tapes of the album. After all, I could record it all again, but I couldn't go round to every house in America and say, `This isn't how it should be. Can I play it for you again?"' Then there's Zeppelin. It sounds like musical repression was par for the course in Amos's childhood home: her mother would wait until her father had gone to church before she got out the Frank Sinatra records, and her brother had to sneak LPs by the Doors in and out of the house as if they were illicit substances. "Bands like Led Zeppelin did create a revolution, and they were a terrible threat to my father's kind of church, which denies sexuality," she says. "Young women were feeling things with Led Zeppelin, and I remember moving my body in a way I hadn't moved it before. Robert Plant's sensuality was something I was trying to discover, even though I was eight at the time." Living in Cornwall means taking inspiration from the books and records she picks up on tour, and keeping the rest of the record industry at arm's length while she and her husband make music in their studio. "There's no artistic paranoia down there," she says of her reason to live such an isolated existence. "Sometimes, when I'm in London or New York, I see composers chasing after the next new thing and they can forget their own discipline. And believe me, there is no worse place to be than backstage at the Grammys. When you meet a writer of beautiful love songs who quite obviously hates women, that's when your dreams really get shattered." -- GUARDIAN NEWSPAPERS LIMITED 2003 -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:57:16 -0500 From: "Beth Coulter" <betheqt@voicenet.com> To: "RDT Right Now" <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: Breaking Up was Hard to do... Dear Phil, You know you were my first love, my first kiss. You became in no time at all, every breath that I took. How I loved you! I sacrificed everything for my love for you. And then I found out the truth about you 6 months ago. I found out that you used my love and created death and destruction. Oh, I should have known something was wrong when you first seduced me at the tender age of ten, with pretend kisses, making me think I looked all grown up. I didn't know then you were making me give up my allowance for you. And where did my $.50 a week go? I didn't know then, but I know now. Over the many years of our affair (I must admit the love was all on my side at this point, so it was only an affair), you took more from me every week, every month. But I loved you! You were more important to me than food and shelter. As long as Phil was with me, being part of my very breath, I could survive anything. $1000's of dollars went toward you, money that I didn't really have. But you needed the money. But what did you do with it? 95% of the money I gave you, you gave to the government, who gave it to people who make things that blow up and burn people. When I was 10 years old, I contributed to the creation of the napalm that made those children run naked and burned down the road. Why Phil Why??? Why didn't you give the money to the farmers who needed it to continue to farm? Why did you make all those families leave their farms so big corporations could farm instead? Why Phil Why? You took my money and used it to hurt people. Wasn't it bad enough that your very love was toxic to begin with? That everyone who loved you ends up sick and dying? No, you had to spread your love to the world and seduce them like you seduced me. So Phil, this is why I kissed you goodbye 6 months ago today. You took my love and money and turned it against everything I believe in. All I can do now is warn others of your toxic love and lies and thievery. I myself have a new relationship with a nice Indonesian Clove who isn't addictive and vindictive like you are. People, watch out for my ex. He isn't choosy when it comes to new loves, men, women, children...He takes them all. His name is Phillip Morris and has many brothers who use different names. Avoid these wicked guys with every fiber of your being. If you can't give up tobacco, then buy international. Do not contribute to the continued destruction of our world while you are destroying your body. Bye Bye Phil. Hope you rot in hell. Have a nice day. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when Everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say And I have always been a Fairy. www.bethcoulter.com -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o [top] Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:59:42 -0500 From: John Bragazzi <utown@worldnet.att.net> To: RDT Right Now <rdtrn@torithoughts.org> Subject: the pushme-pullyu Dalsh said: > Also, the last 3 CDs > prior to this one were sorely underrrepresented. I've just looked at the track list on amazon.com and this is really striking. I'm wondering if this is one way for her to say that the "big rock band" CDs were a wrong direction for her, that a more intimate sound and style is more where she wants to go (and/or perhaps more where her fans want her to go). No idea, but it's interesting to think about. > This is more an "anthology" or "essential" collection than a "greatest > hits". I agree. "Greatest Hits" compilations are (or should be) easy. Which songs were hits? Put them together. Like the recent Elvis set with all his #1 hits. Anything else is some other kind of compilation. As artists get older, the temptation can increase to go back and "fix" the older works. This works in some cases, but it can be a slippery slope (how many times has Coppola re-edited the "Godfather" movies into different forms?) > Bjork did a little of both on one of her box sets, her "personal picks", > and the single hits. Joni Mitchell did this as well, with "Hits" and "Misses" (I think that's what they were called, I don't own either). Of course, I could be accused of doing the same thing, since I'm now finishing a novel I wrote in 1990, but I maintain that's different, since it was abandoned and now I'm finishing it. It's not like it was complete and then I went back to rewrite it. Really, it's completely different. No similarity at all betweemn the two situations. However, I do recognize the urge to go back and straighten out your works. :-) But usually your older works are just fine, representing quite nicely the artist you were at the time, and meddling with them from your later perspective doesn't help. I'm conscious of that in the work I'm doing now, trying not to re-do the entire thing based on my current perspectives. One obvious exception to all this is situations where the work was not released as the artist originally intended, like Orson Welles' "Touch of Evil" where changes were made over which he had no control, and he fought for the rest of his life to have the movie restored to his original vision. (the bad news: he never did succeed; the good news: others did, after his death, the restored version was released in theaters and is now available on video and DVD, and it is indeed much better). I think in general an artist should look forward, though that doesn't mean "always and in every situation." But in general. A few years ago someone asked Robert Altman how he dealt with the fact that many of his best movies were not available on video. "How can I deal with it?" he asked. "I go make another movie." I think he's onto something. 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